[Weter]

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No, Scott, that is for resetting all breaks to running and normal state: BC&BP's air pressure, hoses, valves, handbrakes (or not?)

The other question is default state of lost consist's brakes.
More plausible would probably be:
- Hoses connected,
- air absent (or bottled, by act's definition),
- only outer cars have hand brakes engaged (the problem - how many, what depends on consist's mass and track grade)
IRL, brake shoes are being put on certain amount of wheel pairs from the both ends of loose consist - before lcocmotive is being uncoupled.

[scottb613]

Weter, on 27 January 2024 - 08:16 AM, said:

The other question is default state of lost consist's brakes.
More plausible would probably be
Hoses connected, air absent (or bottled, by act's definition), only outer cars have hand brakes engaged (the problem - how many, what depends on consist's mass and track grade) IRL, brake shoes are being put on certain amount of wheel pairs from the both ends of loose consist - before lcocmotive is being uncoupled.

All good points.

Regards,
Scott

[Traindude]

Thinking out loud here, if we wanna eventually implement permanent "bar" couplings (exmaple: The Original Acela Express, steam locomotives and their tenders, etc.), which cannot be uncoupled by the player in-game, how do we communicate to the player that the coupling cannot be uncoupled?

Like this?...:


...or like this?:


Obviously, these images are demonstrations. These would need to be updated when the new Train Ops graphics are created.

[Weter]

Hello.
I remember this "[...]" icon from consist editing module of MSTS AE

[Traindude]

It would be nice if each rolling stock ID number was also given a symbol, just like in MSTS, that assists in describing what it is. Symbols for each different coupler type may also be helpful. Here are some examples that I can think of.

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[ATSF3751]

Traindude, on 28 January 2024 - 01:34 PM, said:

It would be nice if each rolling stock ID number was also given a symbol, just like in MSTS, that assists in describing what it is. Symbols for each different coupler type may also be helpful. Here are some examples that I can think of.

Now to go off of what Traindude said we could break it down even more by what freight/passenger cars are in the consist. Boxcar, tankcar, flatcar, coal car, baggage, coach, dinner, dome, obs, exc.

[Traindude]

ATSF3751, on 28 January 2024 - 05:54 PM, said:

Now to go off of what Traindude said we could break it down even more by what freight/passenger cars are in the consist. Boxcar, tankcar, flatcar, coal car, baggage, coach, dinner, dome, obs, exc.

While ORTS doesn't yet have the ability to differentiate between different types of freight/passenger cars yet (just "Passenger", "Freight", "Steam", "Diesel", "Electric" and "Tender"), if ORTS does have that capability in the future, then I can imagine each type of car would be a different color in order for players to visually differentiate them. Here's an example for freight cars:

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[Laci1959]

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Thinking out loud here, if we wanna eventually implement permanent "bar" couplings (exmaple: The Original Acela Express, steam locomotives and their tenders, etc.), which cannot be uncoupled by the player in-game, how do we communicate to the player that the coupling cannot be uncoupled?

Hello.

In order for this to work, the interpretation of the Coupling ( ) entries should be brought back together with all the parameters. Currently this (these) entries are a kind of ballast in the eng wag files. If it's included, it's good, if it's missing, it's okay. It doesn't matter what type of connector you have, they can all be solved. I once read that there were two schools of thought. One took the position that "Let's copy MSTS one-for-one". The other trend represented the position that "Let's see what MSTS is doing and do the opposite". Here, too, the second group won, as with Bouding_box.

Sincerely, Laci1959

Rear steam locomotive switch

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Coupling (
Type ( Bar )
Spring (
Stiffness ( 1E7N/m 1E6N/m )
Damping ( 2E6N/m/s 2E6N/m/s )
Break ( 5E6N 5E6N )
r0 ( 0cm 20cm )
)
CouplingHasRigidConnection ( )
Velocity ( 0.1m/s )
)

First steam locomotive switch

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Coupling (
Type ( Chain )
Spring (
Stiffness ( 1E7N/m 1E6N/m )
Damping ( 1E6N/m/s 2E6N/m/s )
Break ( 1.1E8N 5E8N )
r0 ( 0cm 20cm )
)
CouplingHasRigidConnection ( )
Velocity ( 0.1m/s )
)

Ps. Peter started programming an animated Coupling but unfortunately did not finish it. I experimented with it not long ago but then gave up.

[Weter]

Hello, Traindude.

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It would be nice if each rolling stock ID number was also given a symbol, just like in MSTS, that assists in describing what it is

Agree totally.
One confusing thing: articulated steamers (how to recognise and display?)... maybe, control car/EMU symbols missing.

@Laci
"Rigid connection" seems to be not bar(permanent) type, but something, as Scharfenberg - i.e. having no vertical slide opportunity.

[Laci1959]

Weter, on 29 January 2024 - 07:29 AM, said:

@Laci
"Rigid connection" seems to be not bar(permanent) type, but something, as Scharfenberg - i.e. having no vertical slide opportunity.

Igazad van. Agőzmozdony, szerkocsi (tender ) kapcsolat tényleg nem volt merev. Na ezt elrontottam, de mindegy.
Nem múködik, és ez a lényeg.
Majd ha lesz értelme kijavítom. De attól tartok hogy ez is valami ORTS kezdetű dologba fog eljutni. Ez jó lenne de az átlag felhasználó nem fogja magának átírni, inkább letölti a RW-t és avval, egyből játszik. És ez nagy különbség.

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You are right. The steam locomotive/tender relationship was really not rigid. Now that I've messed up, but whatever.
It doesn't move, and that's the point.
I'll fix it when it makes sense. But I'm afraid it's going to end up in something that starts with ORTS. That would be nice but the average user won't rewrite it for themselves, they'd rather download RW and play with it, straight away. And that makes a big difference.