Curve resistence FAR too sensitive
#1
Posted 21 November 2015 - 05:25 PM
20MPH on what appears to be a 2000-r curve at 10lbs of force in curvature resistance and it snaps an airhose? I don't think so.
Ummm, so what other info is needed besides the log?
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#2
Posted 21 November 2015 - 07:03 PM
#3
Posted 21 November 2015 - 09:36 PM
Is this defined anywhere in the manual? I've looked and can't find it.
#4
Posted 22 November 2015 - 01:29 AM
ATW, on 21 November 2015 - 07:03 PM, said:
Why is this needed, though? Surely Dave is well within expected operating parameters so there must be something else that is set unrealistically in the wagons or a bug. It would be more useful to document what wagon parameters affect this so they can be checked and corrected than the get-out-reality durability value. :)
#5
Posted 22 November 2015 - 12:24 PM
James Ross, on 22 November 2015 - 01:29 AM, said:
I agree. Look at the data in the image: 20.8mph; I'm pretty sure it is a 2000R curve. The data in the coupler column looks unusually high, esp. w/ just 7 cars. This was run in a pure MSTS environment (e.g., nothing extra for OR features). The car data values are all likely to be several years old.
And shouldn't this feature be wholly independent of the car data?
#6
Posted 22 November 2015 - 03:21 PM
May not be the realistic physics matching your car wag physics but I use these parameters in example as well as paying attention to center level of gravity values.
ORTSUnbalancedSuperElevation ( 69mm )
ORTSTrackGauge ( 4.0ft 8.5in )
ORTSRigidWheelBase ( 5.65ft 3.6in )
I yet need to add those 2 last parameters to other wag files including my newest releases even though I have used the first one which has solved the majority of curve issues but height of CentreOfGravity plays a big one in this an have seen a difference... its like carmen work fixing issues you come by which can be anything. Face it for now if you don't want your air hose detaching exactly at the first pop up warning because one of your cars wag physics on how you may operate, increase the con durability to allow you to get extra curve speed durability chances no matter how soft the curve an speed are or just add the safety parameters.
#7
Posted 22 November 2015 - 05:34 PM
ATW, on 22 November 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:
Well it's likely to be this then. Grepping the trainset directory tells me very few .wag files have this value and a fair number that do have values of 0 0 0. I'll gin up some numbers for the cars of the consist in question and see what different that makes.
#8
Posted 22 November 2015 - 08:12 PM
Genma Saotome, on 21 November 2015 - 05:25 PM, said:
There are probably a few factors influencing this result as follows:
i) There appears to be a small bug with initialising the default superelevation for curves > 2000m. - This has been corrected in #3325, and should ease the problem described in this post.
ii) However, the rolling stock also needs to be set up with a Cant deficiency or "Unbalanced Superelevation" - ATW's post describes the settings. Section 8.10 and 8.11 of the manual also provides details.
The link shown in the first post of this thread also provides some information on curve speed, and some stock setups as examples, as well as a testing methodology to study the impacts of different "Unbalanced Superelevations".
Later in the thread, it also talks about changing the consist durability to reduce the sensitivity of brake hose breakage if it is desired that this occur at values greater then the warning notice.
Note the curve speed limit warnings and penalties can be switched off in the options menu.
#9
Posted 22 November 2015 - 09:02 PM
#10
Posted 24 November 2015 - 09:48 AM
Q: Does the risk of overturning relate in any way to curve resistance or are the two independent?