[superheatedsteam]

What 3D program are you using to create your cab? There is an issue with the Blender export tool that if 'Retain Names' is unchecked then only animated cab controls are exported. Cab displays or controls that do not have an animation applied will not function in game.

Try exporting with a tick mark in Retain Names to see if this makes a difference.

I had an issue with a digital speed display (SPEEDOMETER:0:20) that would not work in game. On examination of the .S file with a text editor, I could not find any reference to SPEEDOMETER:0:20. The object merging optimisation does not recognise the 'special' names and as part of the optimisation the names are removed by the geometry stays.

To allow the shape file optimisation, I gave the digital display a 2 frame location (translation) animation of 0.5mm. This is not noticeable in game.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Marek.

[Hamza97]

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To allow the shape file optimisation, I gave the digital display a 2 frame location (translation) animation of 0.5mm. This is not noticeable in game.

Actually, even 2 frames are not needed, just give the display a single animation frame (either rotation or location) and it would export just fine .. :) I had the same issue and learned the hard way about this thing .. :unsure: :blush:

[Traindude]

I'm having a little bit of trouble making my first (steam) 3D cab.

I've made a reverse lever for my loco, but it doesn't want to center itself. When OR thinks the lever is "centered," the lever is actually in the "reverse" position:


Here's how I defined the lever in the .cvf:

Lever (
	     Type ( CUTOFF LEVER )
	     Style ( NOT_SPRUNG )
             MouseControl ( 1 )
	     NumFrames ( 35 )
             NumPositions ( 0 )
	     NumValues ( 0 )
	     ScaleRange ( -0.85 0.85 )
	     )

..and here's how it appears in the .s file, a total of 35 frames, -0.85 to 0.85, with each frame at intervals of 0.05:

anim_node CUTOFF:0:0 (
                    controllers ( 1
                     tcb_rot ( 35
                            slerp_rot ( 0 0.25881904 0.0 0.0 0.96592581 )
                            slerp_rot ( 1 0.24391373 0.0 0.0 0.96979696 )
                            slerp_rot ( 2 0.22895056 0.0 0.0 0.97343802 )
                            slerp_rot ( 3 0.2139331 0.0 0.0 0.9768483 )
                            slerp_rot ( 4 0.19886489 0.0 0.0 0.9800269 )
                            slerp_rot ( 5 0.18374953 0.0 0.0 0.9829731 )
                            slerp_rot ( 6 0.16859059 0.0 0.0 0.98568618 )
                            slerp_rot ( 7 0.15339167 0.0 0.0 0.9881655 )
                            slerp_rot ( 8 0.13815637 0.0 0.0 0.99041045 )
                            slerp_rot ( 9 0.12288831 0.0 0.0 0.99242049 )
                            slerp_rot ( 10 0.1075911 0.0 0.0 0.99419522 )
                            slerp_rot ( 11 0.09226837 0.0 0.0 0.99573416 )
                            slerp_rot ( 12 0.07692377 0.0 0.0 0.99703699 )
                            slerp_rot ( 13 0.06156091 0.0 0.0 0.99810332 )
                            slerp_rot ( 14 0.04618346 0.0 0.0 0.99893296 )
                            slerp_rot ( 15 0.03079506 0.0 0.0 0.99952573 )
                            slerp_rot ( 16 0.01539936 0.0 0.0 0.99988145 )
                            slerp_rot ( 17 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 )
                            slerp_rot ( 18 -0.01539936 0.0 0.0 0.99988145 )
                            slerp_rot ( 19 -0.03079506 0.0 0.0 0.99952573 )
                            slerp_rot ( 20 -0.04618346 0.0 0.0 0.99893296 )
                            slerp_rot ( 21 -0.06156091 0.0 0.0 0.99810332 )
                            slerp_rot ( 22 -0.07692376 0.0 0.0 0.99703699 )
                            slerp_rot ( 23 -0.09226836 0.0 0.0 0.99573416 )
                            slerp_rot ( 24 -0.10759108 0.0 0.0 0.99419522 )
                            slerp_rot ( 25 -0.12288829 0.0 0.0 0.99242049 )
                            slerp_rot ( 26 -0.13815635 0.0 0.0 0.99041045 )
                            slerp_rot ( 27 -0.15339166 0.0 0.0 0.9881655 )
                            slerp_rot ( 28 -0.16859058 0.0 0.0 0.98568618 )
                            slerp_rot ( 29 -0.18374951 0.0 0.0 0.9829731 )
                            slerp_rot ( 30 -0.19886488 0.0 0.0 0.9800269 )
                            slerp_rot ( 31 -0.21393308 0.0 0.0 0.9768483 )
                            slerp_rot ( 32 -0.22895055 0.0 0.0 0.97343808 )
                            slerp_rot ( 33 -0.24391373 0.0 0.0 0.96979696 )
                            slerp_rot ( 34 -0.25881904 0.0 0.0 0.96592581 )
                     )
                    )
                )
                anim_node CUTOFF:0:1 (
                    controllers ( 1
                     tcb_rot ( 35
                            slerp_rot ( 0 -0.25881904 0.0 0.0 0.96592581 )
                            slerp_rot ( 1 -0.24391373 0.0 0.0 0.96979696 )
                            slerp_rot ( 2 -0.22895056 0.0 0.0 0.97343802 )
                            slerp_rot ( 3 -0.2139331 0.0 0.0 0.9768483 )
                            slerp_rot ( 4 -0.19886489 0.0 0.0 0.9800269 )
                            slerp_rot ( 5 -0.18374953 0.0 0.0 0.9829731 )
                            slerp_rot ( 6 -0.16859059 0.0 0.0 0.98568618 )
                            slerp_rot ( 7 -0.15339167 0.0 0.0 0.9881655 )
                            slerp_rot ( 8 -0.13815637 0.0 0.0 0.99041045 )
                            slerp_rot ( 9 -0.12288831 0.0 0.0 0.99242049 )
                            slerp_rot ( 10 -0.1075911 0.0 0.0 0.99419522 )
                            slerp_rot ( 11 -0.09226837 0.0 0.0 0.99573416 )
                            slerp_rot ( 12 -0.07692377 0.0 0.0 0.99703699 )
                            slerp_rot ( 13 -0.06156091 0.0 0.0 0.99810332 )
                            slerp_rot ( 14 -0.04618346 0.0 0.0 0.99893296 )
                            slerp_rot ( 15 -0.03079506 0.0 0.0 0.99952573 )
                            slerp_rot ( 16 -0.01539936 0.0 0.0 0.99988145 )
                            slerp_rot ( 17 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 )
                            slerp_rot ( 18 0.01539936 0.0 0.0 0.99988145 )
                            slerp_rot ( 19 0.03079506 0.0 0.0 0.99952573 )
                            slerp_rot ( 20 0.04618346 0.0 0.0 0.99893296 )
                            slerp_rot ( 21 0.06156091 0.0 0.0 0.99810332 )
                            slerp_rot ( 22 0.07692376 0.0 0.0 0.99703699 )
                            slerp_rot ( 23 0.09226836 0.0 0.0 0.99573416 )
                            slerp_rot ( 24 0.10759108 0.0 0.0 0.99419522 )
                            slerp_rot ( 25 0.12288829 0.0 0.0 0.99242049 )
                            slerp_rot ( 26 0.13815635 0.0 0.0 0.99041045 )
                            slerp_rot ( 27 0.15339166 0.0 0.0 0.9881655 )
                            slerp_rot ( 28 0.16859058 0.0 0.0 0.98568618 )
                            slerp_rot ( 29 0.18374951 0.0 0.0 0.9829731 )
                            slerp_rot ( 30 0.19886488 0.0 0.0 0.9800269 )
                            slerp_rot ( 31 0.21393308 0.0 0.0 0.9768483 )
                            slerp_rot ( 32 0.22895055 0.0 0.0 0.97343808 )
                            slerp_rot ( 33 0.24391373 0.0 0.0 0.96979696 )
                            slerp_rot ( 34 0.25881904 0.0 0.0 0.96592581 )
                     )
                    )
                )

NOTE: "CUTOFF:0:1" is the part that represents the reach rod going toward the power reverse gear.

So guys, please help me out!

[Weter]

I confused with numvalues/numpositions =0.

[mrmosky]

My CVF entry looks like this, for my Jubille 3d cab.


Lever (
Type ( CUTOFF )
Position ( 357 361 176 60 )
Graphic ( blank.ace )
Style ( NOT_SPRUNG )
MouseControl ( 1 )
NumFrames ( 32 16 2 )
NumPositions ( 32 )
NumValues ( 32 )
Orientation ( 0 )
DirIncrease ( 0 )
ScaleRange ( -0.75 0.75 )
)

Also the entry in the .eng file may need to be changed.

Typically:


Cutoff ( -0.75 0.75 0.01 0
NumNotches( 0 ))

Which is Range -75% 75%, Increment 1%, Initial position 0

It's a bit confusing to work out what interacts with what.

Geoff

Oh, byt the way, well done for trying a 3d cab. It will be worth it in the end.

[Weter]

Yes, I have just wanted to tell you about looking how ACELA's continious throttle was made-it has very many frames.
But, the cutoff is notched control anyway.

[Traindude]

mrmosky, on 16 December 2021 - 01:08 PM, said:

My CVF entry looks like this, for my Jubille 3d cab.


Lever (
Type ( CUTOFF )
Position ( 357 361 176 60 )
Graphic ( blank.ace )
Style ( NOT_SPRUNG )
MouseControl ( 1 )
NumFrames ( 32 16 2 )
NumPositions ( 32 )
NumValues ( 32 )
Orientation ( 0 )
DirIncrease ( 0 )
ScaleRange ( -0.75 0.75 )
)

Also the entry in the .eng file may need to be changed.

Typically:


Cutoff ( -0.75 0.75 0.01 0
NumNotches( 0 ))

Which is Range -75% 75%, Increment 1%, Initial position 0

It's a bit confusing to work out what interacts with what.

Geoff

Oh, byt the way, well done for trying a 3d cab. It will be worth it in the end.

I did everything you said, although I changed the values to reflect 35 frames and -0.85 to 0.85, but the lever still won't center itself.

EDIT: Even with the values changed to reflect 32 frames and 75%, it still won't center itself.

EDIT #2: I uncompressed your .s file and noticed that the keyframes for your cutoff control are tcb_key whereas mine are slerp_rot. Does that make any difference? The Blender MSTS exporter exports slerp_rot by default...

[mrmosky]

TSM doesn't do slerp_rot, so I don't know if that is significant. I will have a look at your cab and see if I can spot anything.

Geoff

[mrmosky]

Hi,

After trying a few things, the problem seems to be in the cvf file.

I have attached a modified one which works for the Regulator and Cutoff, saved in a zip file. You will notice that the main change is to add the following entries for each control:

Position ( 550 270 720 900)
Graphic ( )
These should not be needed as neither of them is related to a 3d cabview. For some reason, however, the controls will not work without them.

I noticed that the mouse cursor is actuating the control from the position of the pivot point on the lever. This is because that is where the centre of rotation is positioned. If you want to have the
mouse actuating at the handle end of the lever, there are a couple of ways to do this. One way is to have another dummy part (it need only be a small one) positioned inside the handle. That should be made a sub-part of the lever in Blender. Then it will move in concert with the lever animation. As this dummy part has a centre in the handle, you can actuate the lever from there. If you want to.

Cheers,
Geoff

Attached File(s)

•  Challenger_Test_Cab.zip (1.11K)
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[Traindude]

mrmosky, on 17 December 2021 - 06:34 AM, said:

Hi,

After trying a few things, the problem seems to be in the cvf file.

I have attached a modified one which works for the Regulator and Cutoff, saved in a zip file. You will notice that the main change is to add the following entries for each control:

Position ( 550 270 720 900)
Graphic ( )
These should not be needed as neither of them is related to a 3d cabview. For some reason, however, the controls will not work without them.

I noticed that the mouse cursor is actuating the control from the position of the pivot point on the lever. This is because that is where the centre of rotation is positioned. If you want to have the
mouse actuating at the handle end of the lever, there are a couple of ways to do this. One way is to have another dummy part (it need only be a small one) positioned inside the handle. That should be made a sub-part of the lever in Blender. Then it will move in concert with the lever animation. As this dummy part has a centre in the handle, you can actuate the lever from there. If you want to.

Cheers,
Geoff

Thanks, Geoff. The lever now works perfectly.

You're right about the levers rotating around their pivots instead of the handles. As someone who uses a RailDriver instead of mouse control most of the time, it's something I must've overlooked. However, I do plan on hopefully correcting this--all I need to do is duplicate the lever, adjust the animation accordingly to match the "original" part (used as a guide for animating), and that should fix that.

[Laci1959]

Hello.

I want to ask if ORTS_CIRCUIT_BREAKER_STATE supports 3d cab? If so, how to name it?

Sincerely, Laci 1959

[ErieBerkshireFan]

JTang, on 15 April 2014 - 05:37 AM, said:

You can rename them later by editing the .s file directly.

I didn't know that!

[VAPOR3D]

Hello, I have a question.

I supposed that the RPM_2 cab control would serve to show the revolutions of the second engine of a diesel locomotive, declaring a second Engine in the .eng, and as long as there was a declaration in the .cvf file like this one:

Dial (
Type ( RPM_2 DIAL )
Position ( 394 10 3 10 )
Style ( NEEDLE )
ScaleRange ( 0 2000 )
ScalePos ( 214 131 )
Units ( RPM )
Pivot ( 16 )
DirIncrease ( 0 )
)

But try as I might, only the first RPM control works. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?

Thank you very much for the answers...

[akioyamamura]

VAPOR3D, on 23 April 2022 - 03:32 AM, said:

Hello, I have a question.

I supposed that the RPM_2 cab control would serve to show the revolutions of the second engine of a diesel locomotive, declaring a second Engine in the .eng, and as long as there was a declaration in the .cvf file like this one:

Dial (
Type ( RPM_2 DIAL )
Position ( 394 10 3 10 )
Style ( NEEDLE )
ScaleRange ( 0 2000 )
ScalePos ( 214 131 )
Units ( RPM )
Pivot ( 16 )
DirIncrease ( 0 )
)

But try as I might, only the first RPM control works. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?

Thank you very much for the answers...

Did you tried only "Type ( RPM DIAL )"? Take a look at the hierarchy too, must be something like RPM:1:0, if it's the second RPM display/needle.

[VAPOR3D]

akioyamamura, on 23 April 2022 - 07:55 AM, said:

Did you tried only "Type ( RPM DIAL )"? Take a look at the hierarchy too, must be something like RPM:1:0, if it's the second RPM display/needle.

I've tried it, but this way the second RPM 1:0 needle moves in solidarity with the first one, instead of being independent and responding only to the second motor.... :scare2:

PS: The question remains what is the RPM_2 control for?