[Traindude]

Hi. I'm adding telephone poles to a route I am modifying, and I am wondering how to use the auto-placement function. So far, I don't have any clear instructions, descriptions or tutorials on how it works. Can anyone help me out?

[Laci1959]

Helló.

1. Shape file selection.
2. Setting the repetition distance.
3. Display detailed setting options, the image already has it.
4. Setting the rotation, but I have never tried this.
5. Select a target, you can also put it next to a road, for example houses.
6. Set offset according to MSTS conversions. The Z value specifies the offset of the starting point from the Pivot point.
7. Turn each shape wall you put down as specified here.
8. There is no information about this.
9. Undo the last Auto Placement step.

Additional explanation for point 6:
The starting point is always a railway switch, and the end point is also when the shape files are placed next to a railway. The Z value of Translate Offset is measured from here if you click on the section connected to the railway switch. This can be changed. In the 2nd picture, I turned off a straight line with the "Z" button. So this became the starting point. The 10 meter value of the Z offset is clearly visible. After that, the disabled track element can be switched back on by highlighting it and then clicking next to it. It can also be done by repeatedly using the " Z " button.
Picture 3. The Translate Offset Y value is clearly visible.
Picture 4. Unloading stopped at the railway switch.

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Sincerely, Laci1959

[Weter]

And, from my unhappy experience - never select dynamic track section as auto-placement object - that will waste tsection file's slots too soon.

[eric from trainsim]

Weter, on 26 August 2024 - 01:52 PM, said:

And, from my unhappy experience - never select dynamic track section as auto-placement object - that will waste tsection file's slots too soon.

Oh, my, that would indeed be bad if you did it as 1M sections....

[Weter]

There were default 10m ones with 5m separation, but, I suspect, that was the cause of problem, we discussed in another thread: placement was cancelled, but "cells" are still occupied...

[eric from trainsim]

I spent an hour in the code this morning.... trying to fill in the gaps is going to be a huge effort since every segment of DT that has multiple pieces (e.g. straight, curve, second straight, second curve, third straight) re-uses the existing section indexes within the DT declarations.

So it's not as simple as just renumbering one section index to one track piece in a world file.

[Laci1959]

Weter, on 26 August 2024 - 01:52 PM, said:

And, from my unhappy experience - never select dynamic track section as auto-placement object - that will waste tsection file's slots too soon.

Hello.

I didn't even think about that.
I've tried it on many things, often just to see what it can be used for. I also made an overhead line for a railway station with this technology. Only the Z value of the starting element had to be set with multiple trials. After that, he neatly placed the cross supports holding the overhead line over the tracks, and then the line as well. I made a railway track with the cross members shown in the picture. I may switch to this technology permanently or try to combine it with the new DT technology. It would be nice if it followed the DT element's dip in the curve.
Just because I'm such a stayer. :)

Sincerely, Laci1959

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Sincerely, Laci1959

[steved]

That's intriguing. How do they do with RAM?

Randy

[eric from trainsim]

I don't think that anything placed along dynamic track is going to be able to be adjusted... they're not at all related in the W file.

[Weter]

eric from trainsim, on 27 August 2024 - 01:25 PM, said:

I spent an hour in the code this morning.... trying to fill in the gaps is going to be a huge effort since every segment of DT that has multiple pieces (e.g. straight, curve, second straight, second curve, third straight) re-uses the existing section indexes within the DT declarations.

So it's not as simple as just renumbering one section index to one track piece in a world file.

Exactly my case. I can replace only straight sections of existing lengths with static tracks, no more.
And indeed - each piece's description calls elements, using their entrie's numbers in file's text.

eric from trainsim, on 28 August 2024 - 02:10 PM, said:

I don't think that anything placed along dynamic track is going to be able to be adjusted... they're not at all related in the W file.

Works well for me: I ysed poles with 4.6 and 1.9 mewters shift to check siding's and platform edge's separation... no problem.
Problem was placement another DT along existing one (by unreversable wasting tsection file's capacity), but it looked nice...

[eric from trainsim]

I think you misunderstand the context, Weter. Auto-placed items will not super-elevate with the changes being introduced for super-elevation and multiple track profiles.

[Laci1959]

eric from trainsim, on 31 August 2024 - 08:32 AM, said:

I think you misunderstand the context, Weter. Auto-placed items will not super-elevate with the changes being introduced for super-elevation and multiple track profiles.

Hello.

I don't think that's a problem. In Hungary (and in many places throughout Europe), the railway track consists of two parts.
1. The substructure, we used to call this earthwork. Practically the embankment, with the bench on top. This is where the markers and slow signs are placed. Hectometer section markers every 100 meters. This is not raised by the under-beating machine (the machine that lifts the rail with the gripper rollers until the hammers hit the stone under the cross-beams) when it lifts the rail and hammers the crushed stone under the cross-beams.
2. The superstructure, i.e. the crushed stone bedding (ballast), rail fibers, and the concrete cross members.
In reality, the crushed stone bedding no longer moves when the arch cantilever is adjusted. Only the rail and the cross member bolted to it.
If the trapezoidal crushed stone bedding (ballast) is left long enough, the raised edge does not hang in the air. Of course, it must be at least 0.4 meters thick to be beautiful.

However, what I came up with here is really not good. Unfortunately, you are right about that.

Sincerely, Laci1959

[Weter]

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I think you misunderstand the context, Weter.

Where?
That placement was done by fault (not assigning measuring pole's model for placement), so default-choosen <dynamic track piece> was placed then. Looked nice, but useless at that moment - so I have cancelled "last auto-placement", but punish have come, as You have read above.