[Laci1959]

Hello.

Maybe I'm not asking the question in the best place. In this case, I ask the Admin to move it to the appropriate thread. Thank you in advance for your kindness.
We have a 120-year-old steam locomotive that only has a hand brake. The brake must be set in both the wagon section and the Engine section. I was able to set the Wagon part based on the handbook and Peter's model car.
But there is nothing on the Engine side, except that:
"The controller can be added to an ENG file in a similar fashion to an air brake or vacuum controller by using the following brake controller parameter: TrainBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart".
Where should it be pasted?
Based on its name, I would think of the EngineControllers block Brake_Engine or the Brake_Hand subblock.

EngineControllers (
		BellToggle ( 0 1 0 )
		Blower ( 0 1 0.05 0
			NumNotches ( 0 )
		)

		Brake_Engine ( 0 1 0.1 0
			NumNotches ( 3
				Notch ( 0 0 EngineBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
				Notch ( 0.5 0 TrainBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart )
				Notch ( 0.99 0 TrainBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart )
			)
		)

		Brake_Hand ( 0 1 0.0125 0
			NumNotches ( 3
				Notch ( 0 0 EngineBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
				Notch ( 0.5 0 TrainBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart )
				Notch ( 0.99 0 TrainBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart )
			)
		)
		Brake_Train ( 0 1 0.03 0
			NumNotches ( 3
				Notch ( 0 0 TrainBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
				Notch ( 0.98 1 TrainBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart )
				Notch ( 1 0 TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyStart )
			)
		)

What should be set in the following lines?

	BrakesEngineBrakeType ( Manual_Braking )
	BrakesTrainBrakeType ( Manual_Braking )
	BrakesEngineControllers ( "Hand" )

I already tried these settings but it doesn't work.
Maybe you need to trick the OR with some non-existent airbrake, like the MSTS?

https://kephost.net/p/MTE0Mzc0Mg.png

Sincerely, Laci1959

[Weter]

EngineControllers (
		BellToggle ( 0 1 0 )
		Blower ( 0 1 0.05 0
			NumNotches ( 0 )
		)

		Brake_Engine ( 0 1 0.1 0
			NumNotches ( 1
				Notch ( 0 1 EngineBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart )
			)
		)

Comment ( handbrake usually doesn't need special control definition in "engine" section
		Brake_Hand ( 0 1 0.0125 0
			NumNotches ( 3
				Notch ( 0 0 EngineBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
				Notch ( 0.5 0 TrainBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart )
				Notch ( 0.99 0 TrainBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart )
			)
		)
/Comment )
		Brake_Train ( 0 1 0.03 0
			NumNotches ( 1
				Notch ( 0 1 TrainBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart )
			)
		)

[darwins]

Good Question. The train brakes can be set up using in Engine Controllers

Brake_Brakeman ( 0 1 0.2 0.0
NumNotches ( 1
 Notch( 0 1 BrakemanBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart ) ) )

I have used in an eng section

BrakesTrainBrakeType ( "Manual_braking" )
BrakesEngineBrakeType( "Air_brake" )
BrakesEngineControllers( "Independent" )

Together with in the Engine Controllers

 Brake_Engine ( 0 1 0.2 0.3
  NumNotches ( 1
   Notch( 0.0  1 EngineBrakesControllerContinuousServiceStart ) ) )

 Brake_Brakeman ( 0 1 0.2 0.3
  NumNotches ( 1
   Notch( 0 1 BrakemanBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart ) ) )
   
 Comment ( Brake_Train is not used in this configuration )

I am not sure if this will work with

BrakesEngineBrakeType( "Manual_braking" )


Try Weter's suggestions and my suggestions and let us know if any of them work!

[Laci1959]

Hello.

Darwins suggestion with the Brake_Brakeman controller became the good solution. I later found the information on Peter's website as well. I've looked there before, just in the wrong place. Since there is only manual braking, the following messages have been added to the Engine section:

	EngineBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate ( 1.0 )
	EngineBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate ( 1.0 )
	BrakesEngineBrakeType ( Manual_brake )

	EngineControllers (
		...
		Brake_Brakeman ( 0 1 0.2 0.3
			NumNotches ( 1
				Notch ( 0 1 BrakemanBrakesControllerManualBrakingStart )
			)
		)
		...

Weter is right, the Brake_Hand post was redundant.

Thank you very much for your help.

Yes, information about the Brake_Brakeman controller is missing from the manual.

https://kephost.net/p/MTE0NDczMw.png
Image source:
My link

Sincerely, Laci1959