[superheatedsteam]

It appears that at some point in the last month, the ability of the scroll wheel to alter the level of zoom in 3D cab view has changed. Now the scroll wheel controls inputs on some controllers like handles but not on buttons.

Can the option to use the mouse scroll wheel to control either the view zoom or controller inputs please be configured as an option somewhere?

Cheers,

Marek.

[Weter]

The PR was by James Ross.
The other developer some time back have marked sensitive areas of 2d cab with pop up yellow boxes around controls - to show, where mouse wheel affects them.

Ah, that was Siebren:
Look there (above):
https://www.elvastow...post__p__305956

[gpz]

It was me actually. When the mouse is moved over a control, that one is adjustable by the wheel. After some seconds of unmoved state the zoom level becomes changeable again.

[pschlik]

That is, bluntly, an awful way to limit use of camera zoom. There are many situations when the mouse is being moved, and thus camera zoom being blocked, when there are no cab controls to be manipulated (and thus no reason to disable zoom at all!). That being...every external camera. This behavior should only be implemented when in a (3D?) cab view, it is less than useless for external views.

[gpz]

Nowhere above I wrote that the camera zoom is being blocked when the mouse is moved generally, especially not when not in cab view. Quote from myself: "When the mouse is MOVED OVER a control, that one is adjustable by the wheel". See above. Have you tried it btw? :-)

[pschlik]

I'm not concerned with what you wrote I'm concerned with what has been programmed. What has been programmed is that if the mouse is visible on screen anywhere, at any time, zooming is disabled. Enter the #2 camera to see the outside of the train? The zoom level is locked until the mouse disappears after not touching it for some time (good luck not making the mouse re-appear as you try to use the scroll wheel!). Want to fly around with the #8 camera to get a good viewpoint? Can't do that as changing the camera angle with the mouse also causes the mouse to appear, disabling zoom. If this is only supposed to be a thing in 3D cabs, it has been implemented quite incorrectly!

[gpz]

Okay, seems like I have to double-check its working. Need to explicitly limit it to cab cameras as my original intention was.

[superheatedsteam]

Hi Peter, I appreciate the work you have done, but could this still be an option that can be toggled on or off.

This may work for some cab views but I still find that inadvertent inputs into the scroll wheel when the pointer is in the wrong location, can throw the throttle, dynamics and brakes from one extreme to the other, either throwing the brakes into emergency or severe throttle inputs that break couplers.

I commonly zoom from 40 – 60 degrees FOV, and do this by flicking the scroll wheel to induce an extended spin. Now this is often stopped short when there is a slightly induced mouse movement and now I have to wait another 2 seconds for the mouse to disappear again before spin zooming again.

Aside from accidental inputs, I find using the scroll wheel does not have the finesse of a LMB hold and drag input. Waiting 2 seconds for the pointer to disappear doesn't sound like a long time but it makes navigation in my 3D cab views clunky.

If this can't be made an option, can you please point me in the direction where this code is located so I can try and disable it from my own compiled versions in future.

Cheers,

Marek.

[gpz]

Instead of increasing the amount of options further, it might be better to assign a modifier key and a modifier lock, similar to Fn and Fn lock on laptops, Shift an Caps lock, etc.

[superheatedsteam]

Thanks Peter. Employ whatever method suits you best.

Cheers,

Marek.

[gpz]

pschlik, on 26 March 2025 - 11:29 AM, said:

That is, bluntly, an awful way to limit use of camera zoom.

Wheel by Alt only in PR #1069, please rate again the "awfulness" factor.