[shaihulud666]

I want to show pictures of the popular in Russia diesel locomotives 2TE10M, 2TE10V, 2TE10U (2ТЭ10М, 2ТЭ10В, 2ТЭ10У). I love them for them for their unusual design of the cabin, the sound of the diesel engine 10D100 (10Д100). And the interesting thing is how they smoke. Smoke more serious than diesel locomotives ALCO.

https://trainpix.org/photo/00/54/75/54753.jpg

http://cs.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2014-01_1/138883709554.jpg

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bekirov/12862283/17642/17642_original.jpg

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http://cs.pikabu.ru/images/big_size_comm/2014-01_1/13888370955687.jpg

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/roman983/29224299/330108/330108_900.jpg

http://zd1520.ru/galereya_avtom/images/800_600/4_92.jpg

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[Hamza97]

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Smoke more serious than diesel locomotives ALCO.

You sure...?? Nothing beats an alco..... :cheers3: :derisive:

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[shaihulud666]

Please watch the video too :derisive: :

https://www.youtube....h?v=zq46drYmewM

https://www.youtube....h?v=SaC5j5ch7rQ

https://www.youtube....h?v=zUGk3lT61dw

https://www.youtube....h?v=tH-VAkIK5U4

https://www.youtube....h?v=k2alEhHDEJA

https://www.youtube....h?v=wEETEOcQW90

[captain_bazza]

Smokey Bear, if you pardon the pun.

[keystoneaholic]

The 10's are getting a bit long in the tooth these days and their maintenance may well have been a bit patchy. Certainly video of those on the Baikal Amur Mainline show them smoking very heavily, rather more than those in western Russia. The terrain doesn't help either, the BAM goes West to East whilst the rivers go South to North, so they are either on pretty much full throttle going up the grade or on idle going down the other side. Throw in the fact that the major stations tend to be by the rivers at the bottom of the grade and the hard work can also start with a fairly cool engine. Not only do you get the exhaust smoke, you also get a fair bit of smeech from what I assume to be the crankcase breather down by the front truck (as in the last picture).

I have seen it suggested that the 10D100 engine is a copy of a Fairbanks Morse design but I'm not sure how true that might be. There are certainly similarities in the sounds.

ALCO's smoke heavily whilst the Turbo catches up but then the exhaust tends to clear, the 10's tend to do it all the time.

I think I saw somewhere that some 10's have received GEVO's, presumably from the factory in Kazakhstan, and there was at least one which had the body behind the cab replaced by a 'road switcher' type hood. They don't smoke so much!

[ebnertra000]

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From Keystoneaholic -

I have seen it suggested that the 10D100 engine is a copy of a Fairbanks Morse design but I'm not sure how true that might be. There are certainly similarities in the sounds.

I think you're right about that. Probably they got some FM engines during the War and used them as baselines for their own engine designs. I know for sure that TEM-series road switchers are designed based on Alco RSD-1s that the Soviets received as part of the Lend-Lease program. Not sure if the engines are based on Alco designs, but I suspect they probably are.

[philmoberg]

The 10Д100 prime mover was probably developed from the power plant in the the USCG/USN Wind class icebreakers transferred to the Soviets during WWI, and subsequently handed back. Each of them had half a dozen of FM's ten-cylinder models. I understand that the Soviets may have received other FM-powered naval vessels, but I haven't been able to confirm this.

The TEM prime mover was developed from USATC RSD-1s (including the first thirteen RS-1s so converted), supplied to SZD as class Дa. I am told by those who claim to have seen them that the initial copies for the ТЭ1 class (essentially a straight copy of the RSD-1) actually included ALCO cast in the engine block. There is also some suggestion that this carried over to at least the initial TEM2s.

Russian locomotive design has an interesting history. Form what I've been able to learn, they had some excellent design engineers; but their efforts tended to be hampered by ideological priorities. As a result, practical designs tended to be copied from others, or synthesized from the design elements of others. One of these efforts had a long and improbable history, beginning with a synthesis of the Ta and Tб (Tb) samples of ten-coupled power, supplied by Alco and Baldwin respectively. These led to the somewhat inferior ФД 2-10-2s and ultimately to the better-known Chinese QJ class.

[ebnertra000]

philmoberg, on 24 July 2017 - 06:54 AM, said:

Russian locomotive design has an interesting history. Form what I've been able to learn, they had some excellent design engineers; but their efforts tended to be hampered by ideological priorities. As a result, practical designs tended to be copied from others, or synthesized from the design elements of others.

The 2TE121 is a prime example of this. 4000hp per unit (8000 total), dynamic brakes (unheard of in the Soviet network at the time), an isolated cab to reduce noise, and an improved suspension! But the initial designs were rejected by the authorities, and only 76 double units were built in its 13-year production run. They were plagued with problems and were written off probably in the '90s.

The Polish SP47 had basically the opposite problem. If I recall this right, the design was far better than anything the Eastern Bloc had at the the time in the diesel passenger locos dept. But, the central planning authorities putthe kibosh on it because it totally outclassed any Soviet models out there at the time. Thus, after a great struggle, only two were made