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I have filed a blueprint https://blueprints.l...-join-and-split to implement an on-screen info that a train includes a joined train, and to remove the need for an AI train path to have a 60001 WP if it has to be joined by a player train.
Extended AI train shunting
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Posted 08 July 2015 - 11:15 AM
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Posted 09 July 2015 - 02:54 AM
Hi Carlo,
Thanks for that.
Is it possible to allow for the special triggering of the RP when a player train uncouples from an AI train, provided that it is a split function and that the RP is in the same section? This triggering should only occur after the split operation and would negate the need to run the bank locomotive forward before reversing it. WDYT?
Are there any scenarios that this might cause problems in?
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Csantucci, on 08 July 2015 - 11:15 AM, said:
I have filed a blueprint https://blueprints.l...-join-and-split to implement an on-screen info that a train includes a joined train, and to remove the need for an AI train path to have a 60001 WP if it has to be joined by a player train.
Thanks for that.
Is it possible to allow for the special triggering of the RP when a player train uncouples from an AI train, provided that it is a split function and that the RP is in the same section? This triggering should only occur after the split operation and would negate the need to run the bank locomotive forward before reversing it. WDYT?
Are there any scenarios that this might cause problems in?
Thanks
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Posted 17 July 2015 - 10:41 PM
Hi Carlo,
What is the current status of this modification?
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Csantucci, on 08 July 2015 - 11:15 AM, said:
I have filed a blueprint https://blueprints.l...-join-and-split to implement an on-screen info that a train includes a joined train, and to remove the need for an AI train path to have a 60001 WP if it has to be joined by a player train.
What is the current status of this modification?
Thanks
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Posted 18 July 2015 - 12:24 PM
Hi Peter,
this has been implemented in release x3201. However pls. note that since release x3200 any uncouple operation (be it related to join and split or not) generates a crash at train.cs, line 3055, because the call to FindLeadLocomotives can be originated also from static consists (after an uncouple) or AI trains (after a split), and such trains have LeadLocomotiveIndex = -1. Pls. correct this.
this has been implemented in release x3201. However pls. note that since release x3200 any uncouple operation (be it related to join and split or not) generates a crash at train.cs, line 3055, because the call to FindLeadLocomotives can be originated also from static consists (after an uncouple) or AI trains (after a split), and such trains have LeadLocomotiveIndex = -1. Pls. correct this.
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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:02 PM
Csantucci, on 18 July 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:
Hi Peter,
this has been implemented in release x3201. However pls. note that since release x3200 any uncouple operation (be it related to join and split or not) generates a crash at train.cs, line 3055, because the call to FindLeadLocomotives can be originated also from static consists (after an uncouple) or AI trains (after a split), and such trains have LeadLocomotiveIndex = -1. Pls. correct this.
this has been implemented in release x3201. However pls. note that since release x3200 any uncouple operation (be it related to join and split or not) generates a crash at train.cs, line 3055, because the call to FindLeadLocomotives can be originated also from static consists (after an uncouple) or AI trains (after a split), and such trains have LeadLocomotiveIndex = -1. Pls. correct this.
Has this bug been reported? Let me know so that I can link it to the blueprint so we know the feature caused it.
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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:41 PM
James Ross, on 20 July 2015 - 01:02 PM, said:
Has this bug been reported? Let me know so that I can link it to the blueprint so we know the feature caused it.
This problem was corrected in X3202.
A note was put into the blueprint.
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Posted 20 July 2015 - 01:58 PM
steamer_ctn, on 20 July 2015 - 01:41 PM, said:
This problem was corrected in X3202.
A note was put into the blueprint.
A note was put into the blueprint.
Ah, okay, that's fine. :good:
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Posted 12 October 2015 - 07:01 AM
Please guide me in solving this issue,
A train with one loco plus 12 coaches arrive at station. After 4 hours, the loco has to detach from the train and perform a run round so that the loco itself will attach onto the other side of the train and proceed in the reverse direction. I have set the paths (source destination source) and now I need to implement advanced AI shunting. I have tried it but it will result in more wait time. Please help me in solving this issue...
A train with one loco plus 12 coaches arrive at station. After 4 hours, the loco has to detach from the train and perform a run round so that the loco itself will attach onto the other side of the train and proceed in the reverse direction. I have set the paths (source destination source) and now I need to implement advanced AI shunting. I have tried it but it will result in more wait time. Please help me in solving this issue...
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Posted 12 October 2015 - 11:45 AM
The path for the AI train must be a single one (it's not as in timetable mode, where you have separate paths).
You must first lay down in the path the WP to stop the train for four hours. You can either insert a standard WP (value 14400 for 4 hours) or an absolute WP ( format 3HHMM ) if you want to set the time of departure.
Just after this first WP you insert a second WP of type 4NNSS, where NN is the number of trainsets that are part of the remaining moving consist, and SS the number of seconds the train will stop. In your case you can insert 40101 (only the loco is part of the remaining moving train, thus only 1 trainset). Then you insert the reverse point where the loco must reverse, the second reverse point where the loco reverses again to couple to the rear of the cars, a third reverse point under the cars to be coupled, and if you want a short waiting point, so that the AI train does not restart immediately after coupling.
You must first lay down in the path the WP to stop the train for four hours. You can either insert a standard WP (value 14400 for 4 hours) or an absolute WP ( format 3HHMM ) if you want to set the time of departure.
Just after this first WP you insert a second WP of type 4NNSS, where NN is the number of trainsets that are part of the remaining moving consist, and SS the number of seconds the train will stop. In your case you can insert 40101 (only the loco is part of the remaining moving train, thus only 1 trainset). Then you insert the reverse point where the loco must reverse, the second reverse point where the loco reverses again to couple to the rear of the cars, a third reverse point under the cars to be coupled, and if you want a short waiting point, so that the AI train does not restart immediately after coupling.
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Posted 13 October 2015 - 05:53 AM
Csantucci, on 12 October 2015 - 11:45 AM, said:
The path for the AI train must be a single one (it's not as in timetable mode, where you have separate paths).
You must first lay down in the path the WP to stop the train for four hours. You can either insert a standard WP (value 14400 for 4 hours) or an absolute WP ( format 3HHMM ) if you want to set the time of departure.
Just after this first WP you insert a second WP of type 4NNSS, where NN is the number of trainsets that are part of the remaining moving consist, and SS the number of seconds the train will stop. In your case you can insert 40101 (only the loco is part of the remaining moving train, thus only 1 trainset). Then you insert the reverse point where the loco must reverse, the second reverse point where the loco reverses again to couple to the rear of the cars, a third reverse point under the cars to be coupled, and if you want a short waiting point, so that the AI train does not restart immediately after coupling.
You must first lay down in the path the WP to stop the train for four hours. You can either insert a standard WP (value 14400 for 4 hours) or an absolute WP ( format 3HHMM ) if you want to set the time of departure.
Just after this first WP you insert a second WP of type 4NNSS, where NN is the number of trainsets that are part of the remaining moving consist, and SS the number of seconds the train will stop. In your case you can insert 40101 (only the loco is part of the remaining moving train, thus only 1 trainset). Then you insert the reverse point where the loco must reverse, the second reverse point where the loco reverses again to couple to the rear of the cars, a third reverse point under the cars to be coupled, and if you want a short waiting point, so that the AI train does not restart immediately after coupling.
Done as directed. But it is seen that the train arriving at 13:40:00 at the destination is returning only at 03:51:43 ie, the next day...
The waiting period that I have set is 3 hrs...ie, 10800s
Just after that I have inserted 40101...
But after recalculating the time table in MSTS AE, It is found that that 40100 is counted as waiting time. So there is a total waiting period of approximately 14 hours...
Please help... Please note that I didn't run in Open Rails as I found from MSTS AE that only waiting time is effected (10800+40100).
This was the result I got when I tried it myself yesterday.
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Posted 13 October 2015 - 06:19 AM
You haven't to recalculate the timetable in the MSTS AE. MSTS isn't able to recognize 40100 as a special waiting point. Prepare the path and the activity with the MSTS AE (you can also prepare the path with Track Viewer if you want) and run the activity with OR.
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Posted 13 October 2015 - 09:41 AM
Tried that method...It is working...The loco detaches then do both the first and second reversal.......But not attaching to the coaches...When I switched onto this AI train from the player train it is shown that in the next station display it is mentioned that there is no station to display...The loco is just freezed at the outer...
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Posted 13 October 2015 - 09:52 AM
Is there a signal between the loco and the consist it must couple?
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Posted 14 October 2015 - 03:52 AM
Csantucci, on 13 October 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:
Is there a signal between the loco and the consist it must couple?
Yes Sir...There is one signal and one switch...
Later on without waiting point I tried...The loco couples to the coaches... but when in happens, Open Rails crashes automatically...
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Posted 14 October 2015 - 08:24 AM
If you have a crash, having the OpenRailsLog.txt file is always useful.
Anyhow, if there is a red signal, that explains why the loco stops. To get the permission for your AI to pass the red signal (something like the request for permission for the player train) you have to put a waiting point with value 60002 in the track section just before the signal, but at least 15 meters away from the signal.
Anyhow, if there is a red signal, that explains why the loco stops. To get the permission for your AI to pass the red signal (something like the request for permission for the player train) you have to put a waiting point with value 60002 in the track section just before the signal, but at least 15 meters away from the signal.