[disc]

I've just made my first timetable in OR, and i used $forms to re-use the train in other service as it happens in reality, which means the train is goes back to direction where it came from, which means cab change (MU train). The problem is, the game sets the correct cab when the game starts, but the lights are reversed(actually only the light glows are visible, but there is no actual light beam), also the reverser is reversed, so forward means backwards...

Same happens in normal activities. I thought this is fixed already.

[roeter]

Please note that $forms does not (yet) work for the player train.
When a player train is 'formed' out of an AI train, it does use the timing of the AI train (i.e. the start of the player train - and thus the start of the activity - will be delayed if the incoming AI train is late), but it does use the consist as defined, not the consist of the arriving AI train.
When a player train 'forms' an AI train at the end of the run, nothing happens at all yet.

As for the cab : could you please check the cabview file and see what angle is set for the forward view?
Some cabviews - in particular for MU's - use 180 degree view directions, as the unit is actually running backward and reverse view' cabs were, ofcourse, introduced only later with Bin. These 180 degree front views confuse the logic as the trains are actually running in reverse in comparison with the cab position.

Regards,
Rob Roeterdink

[disc]

it seems to be reversed, however i don't know much about cvf.

Position ( -0.5 2.5 -5 )
	Direction ( 8 180 0 )
	CabViewFile ( bdv_left.ACE )
	CabViewWindow ( 0 0 640 480 )
	CabViewWindowFile ( "" )
	Position ( -0.5 2.5 -5 )
	Direction ( 2 130 0 )
	CabViewFile ( bdv_right.ACE )
	CabViewWindow ( 0 0 640 480 )
	CabViewWindowFile ( "" )
	Position ( -0.5 2.5 -5 )
	Direction ( 1 226 -1 )

[roeter]

Yes, it's a cab with 180 degree view line. You are, as it were, driving the train while looking back over your shoulder. That rather confuses the program.

Regards,
Rob Roeterdink

[James Ross]

Hopefully we'll get this fixed soon so that cab is properly identified as a back-facing cab, but it is a bit of a problem right now.

[Csantucci]

The fix is almost ready, together with a direction management depending from cab viewing direction. Debug is terminated, i'm in the verification phase.

[Csantucci]

The fix has been committed in release x2481. Now eye viewing direction and train commands and lights direction coincide also in rear cabs. as in MSTS.

[dennisat]

Csantucci, on 13 September 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

The fix has been committed in release x2481. Now eye viewing direction and train commands and lights direction coincide also in rear cabs. as in MSTS.

This seems to be working very well so far, I've put it through quite a number of tests.

Very welcome improvement.

Dennis

[JohnnyS]

Csantucci, on 13 September 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

The fix has been committed in release x2481. Now eye viewing direction and train commands and lights direction coincide also in rear cabs. as in MSTS.

Hi, have noticed some vehicles where facing forwards and moving the reverser to the forwards position results in the train moving in the reverse direction, error occurs as of this code change (x1481, x1480 is OK).

For example this Russian loco: http://www.trainsim....ad/get/?id=1036.
Accompanying sounds: http://railroadsim.n...esel/tem2/i_170 and cabview: http://www.trainsim....oad/get/?id=995.

Can be seen in f4 HUD using explore mode.
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3918/15342342295_0dedaeaf54_o.jpg

Cheers,
John.

[James Ross]

JohnnyS, on 24 September 2014 - 07:51 AM, said:

Hi, have noticed some vehicles where facing forwards and moving the reverser to the forwards position results in the train moving in the reverse direction, error occurs as of this code change (x1481, x1480 is OK).

For example this Russian loco: http://www.trainsim....ad/get/?id=1036.
Accompanying sounds: http://railroadsim.n...esel/tem2/i_170 and cabview: http://www.trainsim....oad/get/?id=995.

Can be seen in f4 HUD using explore mode.
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3918/15342342295_0dedaeaf54_o.jpg

Actually, that screenshot is showing correctly - if the cab is a rear-facing cab, anyway. Notice the "eye" at the bottom - that indicates which direction the cab view faces, so the green arrow should point towards it when you engage forwards (and you should move forwards from the cab view's perspective). Does the cab view move backwards when the reverse is forwards, or is it only that the Track Monitor is pointing downwards?

[copperpen]

I believe that the arrow is wrong. In MSTS if you enter a rear facing cab the controls work normally, and the F4 and F8 windows correspond to the now forward facing view. Reverser forward, arrow points forward irrespective of which cab you are in because you will normally be moving forwards from your point of view, not the game point of view.

[JohnnyS]

copperpen, on 24 September 2014 - 08:47 AM, said:

I believe that the arrow is wrong. In MSTS if you enter a rear facing cab the controls work normally, and the F4 and F8 windows correspond to the now forward facing view. Reverser forward, arrow points forward irrespective of which cab you are in because you will normally be moving forwards from your point of view, not the game point of view.

In this particular case the arrow is correct. The process occurred like so.

1. Pressed 'w' key to put reverser in forward position.
2. Control confirmation confirmed this.
3. f5 HUD confirmed this as well.
4. f4 HUD disagreed.
5. Applying throttle caused the loco to reverse.

I originally observed this problem with two payware EMUs, it should be note that driving the EMUs in timetable mode they behave normally and that they both share the same common cabview.

Edit: Spelling.

[James Ross]

JohnnyS, on 24 September 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

I originally observed this problem with two payware EMUs, it should be note that driving the EMUs in timetable mode they behave normally and that they both share the same common cabview.

Activities and timetable mode do things differently so let's discard them for the moment.

I am trying to establish whether there is a reverser bug here or not: does the cab view move forwards when you drive with the reverser set to forwards? All that matters is the direction of movement relative to the cab view. Everything else I can see in the screenshot is behaving as designed and is consistent with itself - any suggested changes to e.g. Track Monitor are a separate conversation to whether there is an actual bug.

[JohnnyS]

James Ross, on 24 September 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

does the cab view move forwards when you drive with the reverser set to forwards?

Hi,

No, it moves backwards, see points 1 and 5 in my previous post.

So far I have only seen three cases of this behaviour. The classes 302 and 309 EMUs from the Great Eastern route and the freeware loco I linked to.

Cheers,
John.

[James Ross]

JohnnyS, on 24 September 2014 - 11:54 AM, said:

No, it moves backwards, see points 1 and 5 in my previous post.

So far I have only seen three cases of this behaviour. The classes 302 and 309 EMUs from the Great Eastern route and the freeware loco I linked to.

Okay, thanks. It wasn't clear whether you meant the train moves backwards (expected for a rear-facing cab) or the cab view appears to move backwards and this is a critical distinction. :clapping: