[Serana]

roeter, on 19 January 2017 - 01:46 AM, said:

Quite by accident I finally stumbled on the cause of this problem.
As these are 2 EMU's coupled together, am I right in supposing you have defined a 'multiple' consist for these trains, that is (for example), "EMU+EMU"?
If so, that is what is causing the problem. When defining multiple consists, the train length is not calculated correctly, it is set to the length of the last defined consist.
The error will be corrected after version 1.2 has been released, as part of a bit of an overall update of timetable mode.

Regards,
Rob Roeterdink

Alright, I will test it on my timetable once the code is committed.

Thank you.

[James Ross]

roeter, on 19 January 2017 - 01:46 AM, said:

The error will be corrected after version 1.2 has been released, as part of a bit of an overall update of timetable mode.

Please do not drop a big code update that nobody's seen before without getting an approved blueprint with discussion thread explaining what's changed.

[roeter]

James Ross, on 19 January 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

Please do not drop a big code update that nobody's seen before without getting an approved blueprint with discussion thread explaining what's changed.

Don't worry - I know the rules. I will be submitting blueprints when I've finished my own testing, I won't commit anything until that's all agreed.

Regards,
Rob Roeterdink

[kevhead]

I do not think the timetable idea is the way to go maybe a AI dispatcher would be better for you.

[PA1930]

Hello,

I am trying to create a timetable in which a freight train has to wait for a fast train. I am having a problem with that, and I believe this is because the train should wait in a siding and not a station platform.

Is there a way to make the train wait in the siding or is this not possible at all? I have tried using the $follow and $hold but none of these worked in this case.

I read in the manual that so far these commands can only be used in platforms. I am just wondering if there's a work-around to do this.

[forevergone]

PA1930, on 26 January 2017 - 12:42 PM, said:

Hello,

I am trying to create a timetable in which a freight train has to wait for a fast train. I am having a problem with that, and I believe this is because the train should wait in a siding and not a station platform.

Is there a way to make the train wait in the siding or is this not possible at all? I have tried using the $follow and $hold but none of these worked in this case.

I read in the manual that so far these commands can only be used in platforms. I am just wondering if there's a work-around to do this.

You can add a platform marker for the siding so it is perceived as a station and use a $forcehold command in the "Note" column for that specific location only.
If you want you can send me your timetable snipping if you need help with it or do it over PM.

I had a similar issue with equipment trains. I believe $follow only works if the route is shared for the trains you are having a conflict with.

[roeter]

Another way to sort this problem is to terminate the train which needs to wait in the siding, and form it into a next train which starts at that location. Any $wait or $follow commands for the 'new' train can be entered in the #note row for this train, these will take effect as soon as the train is formed, at the location where this happens - so you don't need a platform.
It may look odd when creating the timetable, but when running you will not notice that the train terminates and restarts, and there is also no problem when running that train as player train as the player will also automatically continue with the 'new' train.

Note : the $follow command is very similar to the $wait command - the difference is that the $wait command applies only to the first common point of the two trains following from the position where the $wait is defined, whereas the $follow common will apply to all locations where the two trains share a path.

Regards,
Rob Roeterdink

[PA1930]

Hello to both,

@forevergone: That is a nice suggestion but adding a platform marker implies to edit the route and I'm not so interested to move into that point. In this specific case, I shall proceed by Rob's suggestion. But thanks for your input!

@Rob: Many thanks for your suggestion. I want to try your approach, however, I'm going to guess that the path cannot be a single one, correct? It needs to be a path which ends in the siding and another which starts from the same siding, correct?

[roeter]

Yes, that's right - the path must be split in two, each train has its own path.

Regards,
Rob Roeterdink

[forevergone]

roeter, on 27 January 2017 - 07:56 AM, said:

Yes, that's right - the path must be split in two, each train has its own path.

Regards,
Rob Roeterdink

I think this brings up a good point in differentiating between sidings and platforms. I'm an avid user of the timetable format and Rob has helped me a lot in the past as well.

Would it be a big change to recognize the sidings within the timetable in capital letters, ie "SIDING NAME" and "Station Name".

That way ORTS will make the train stop and start at the siding as it would at a station if the Name is presented in all caps, despite it being a siding.
I have done my workaround by not using any sidings in the environment and just using a station with all caps, plug making it blue font in my timetable as a reminder.

[PA1930]

roeter, on 26 January 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

Another way to sort this problem is to terminate the train which needs to wait in the siding, and form it into a next train which starts at that location. Any $wait or $follow commands for the 'new' train can be entered in the #note row for this train, these will take effect as soon as the train is formed, at the location where this happens - so you don't need a platform.
It may look odd when creating the timetable, but when running you will not notice that the train terminates and restarts, and there is also no problem when running that train as player train as the player will also automatically continue with the 'new' train.

Note : the $follow command is very similar to the $wait command - the difference is that the $wait command applies only to the first common point of the two trains following from the position where the $wait is defined, whereas the $follow common will apply to all locations where the two trains share a path.

Regards,
Rob Roeterdink

Rob, I'm quite happy to tell you that this worked pretty well! Many thanks for your help on this one.


In the meantime I would like to place another question.

The route with which I am working on has many stations. The problem with it, is the the stations are in a random order. I have placed a few stations in order when I made the station list with Lutz's timetable program (a very helpful one!).

My question is, if you can actually switch around the order of the stations in the timetable file, after having created the timetable. Is this possible?
And also: I tried to open the .TIMETABLE_OR file with OpenOffice. It could not open the file properly. Do I need to do something with this file in order to open and edit as a normal excel workbook? I am asking this because I am not able to switch around the station order with Lutz's program. Or at least I do not know if that is possible.

Again, thanks for your help.

[forevergone]

PA1930, on 27 January 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

Rob, I'm quite happy to tell you that this worked pretty well! Many thanks for your help on this one.


In the meantime I would like to place another question.

The route with which I am working on has many stations. The problem with it, is the the stations are in a random order. I have placed a few stations in order when I made the station list with Lutz's timetable program (a very helpful one!).

My question is, if you can actually switch around the order of the stations in the timetable file, after having created the timetable. Is this possible?
And also: I tried to open the .TIMETABLE_OR file with OpenOffice. It could not open the file properly. Do I need to do something with this file in order to open and edit as a normal excel workbook? I am asking this because I am not able to switch around the station order with Lutz's program. Or at least I do not know if that is possible.

Again, thanks for your help.

Change the ".timetable_or" extension to ".csv" and it will open with excel or open office for editing.

Change back into .timetable_or so it can be read correctly by ORTS.
i.e. MyTimetable.TIMETABLE_OR ---> MyTimetable.csv [for editing in office]
MyTimetable.csv ---> MyTimetable.TIMETABLE_OR [to use with ORTS again]

Be sure to change your folder and file settings to show extensions in windows, otherwise you wont see the extension for known file formats.

Cheers

[PA1930]

forevergone, on 27 January 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

Change the ".timetable_or" extension to ".csv" and it will open with excel or open office for editing.

Change back into .timetable_or so it can be read correctly by ORTS.
i.e. MyTimetable.TIMETABLE_OR ---> MyTimetable.csv [for editing in office]
MyTimetable.csv ---> MyTimetable.TIMETABLE_OR [to use with ORTS again]

Be sure to change your folder and file settings to show extensions in windows, otherwise you wont see the extension for known file formats.

Cheers

Thank you! I have had some issues with the columns and rows... Might have to investigate how to avoid the file being changed in that way. When I open the .csv file on OpenOffice Excel, it gives me some format options. After I save the file, it ruins the formatting... Non the less, thanks for your help once again.

[forevergone]

PA1930, on 27 January 2017 - 12:28 PM, said:

Thank you! I have had some issues with the columns and rows... Might have to investigate how to avoid the file being changed in that way. When I open the .csv file on OpenOffice Excel, it gives me some format options. After I save the file, it ruins the formatting... Non the less, thanks for your help once again.

I wrote a timetable macro to export the file from excel, not sure if you have excel available to you instead of open office.
It takes excel stored files and exports an ORTS timetable format with the name of the sheet, so you can keep multiple timetables in one excel file for various train plans.

I was planning on releasing the usable file along with other user generated timetable programs on here. It also features additional functions such as any missing critical cells or trips missing paths, etc. Just so I can handle my 700+ train timetables.

[PA1930]

700+ train timetable - wow!

EDIT:

I was having some troubles with the run-around procedure. I did a path with reversal points and now it works fine. However, I noticed something that could be a bug? after the unit ran around, the lights were not showing from the correct side. It is as if the train driver never changed cabs.

Another question: Can one define where exactly does the train stop in the platform? I believe that the $terminal command is not what I am looking for. I'd like for a train to stop at the middle of the platform. By default, it tries to go until the end of the platform.