[cjakeman]

Genma Saotome, on 29 May 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

Anybody got a suggestion where that adheasion should go?

Just a small point, but OR has accepted "adhesion" as well as "adheasion" for some time. For files like this which are not intended for MSTS, we can use the correct spelling at last.

[James Ross]

I don't think I've seen it tried, but something else that should just work is includes-inside-includes. I.e. you can include one file which can itself include more. Each include should be resolved relative to the file it is in (not the base file). Do let me know if there are any issues with this, though. :bigboss:

[gpz]

Dave,
Just one small note for your arrangement: The NumWheels parameter in eng doesn't have any real meaning, it is used only for the adhesion calculations. At many cases it is just set to 1. So it might have to be removed from the car dimensions, and be put together with "Adheasion".

[Lindsayts]

Genma Saotome, on 29 May 2014 - 09:35 PM, said:

There are probably as many ways to set out the contents in the Include files as there are combinations of lines in the .wags.... The obvious ones, I think, are going to be brake and coupler include files. I suspect that both are applicable fleet-wide (perhaps for .wags from each country rather than all .wags) and so that's where the pathing issue comes into play.

Lights and interiors are pretty obvious candidates too, so long as they describe the same mesh. I suspect there may be some variation when multiple meshes are distributed for the same kind of rolling stock -- different years for a locomotive for instance where the differences are the number and placement of lights. But I think a lot of instances the number, color, and placement is a constant and so, for now, I'm trying one light section for all of the same models (e.g., the H10-44 locomotive) I'm fiddling with. If it turns out there are variations from one mesh to another I'll have to rename the Include()... ad set up others... Early Vs. Late for instance.

There is one Include that I believe should not be necessary: the one that has all of the weight derived parameters. You need Mass() but all of the rest can be computed by the OR software and should not be part of any .wag. Those "...Force...()" and Friction parameters all vary only because of the value of Mass(). So why put them in .wags when the computation could be done by OR?

You are ahead of me WRT trying out include() with locomotives... I'm confused about all of the brake parameters... it's hard to tell what the purpose is for the .wag portion is and how it differs from what is in the Engine() section. Do you know?

The name you chose for "Brake_Westinghouse_single_pipe.inc" looks very right; what data did you put into it?

First a point all include files must have a comment on the first line your "Interior.inc" does not have this.
As for various parameters in the eng file at this stage I am not to concerned on individual items, the important point at this stage is to test the include system as much as possible.

For the brake parameters for this particular single pipe include these will have come with eng file for the model as this model are one of the few eng files I have not altered (much anyway). My second test vehicle the Bluebird though has been much altered. For this I did a long series of brake tests on a level track and the parameters were altered until the railcar stopping distance matched real life performances (for the brake cylinder pressure). I have not got the response times as good as I would like this may though require some of OR's specfic data.

The actual brake parameter names in the eng file are mostly quite descriptive as long as one has a firm idea on why the Westinghouse Graduated release system works.

A comment that gpz's post has brought up, it would be nice if at least a list of all the eng and wag file parameters OR used was availible. When each particular part of the source was writen it would have saved a great deal of effort if a short description of each one created/used in OR was produced.

Lindsay

[cjakeman]

Hi Lindsay,

Lindsayts, on 30 May 2014 - 01:54 AM, said:

A comment that gpz's post has brought up, it would be nice if at least a list of all the eng and wag file parameters OR used was availible.

You must have missed the list of 39 parameters in the appendix at the back of the manual.

Would be nice to have a description too though.

[conductorchris]

I like the direction this is going. Brilliant. Some good work here.

At the risk of adding a distraction (maybe a project for later) it occurs to me that this kind of includes solution might be valuable for activities as well and might lay the foundation for a "explore" mode that also included pre-set traffic or pre-set freight cars on passing sidings. The new timetable mode for activities could include different pre-sets of populated sidings.

Christopher

[Lindsayts]

cjakeman, on 30 May 2014 - 07:26 AM, said:

Hi Lindsay,


You must have missed the list of 39 parameters in the appendix at the back of the manual.

Would be nice to have a description too though.

Thats only part of them there's plenty more in the code though.............. I have been constructing a list.

Lindsay

[Lindsayts]

The SAR bluebirds eng file, this has been tried and works well.......

252.eng

Comment ( required by new parser )

Wagon ( 252
                Type ( Engine )
                WagonShape ( 252.s )

        include ( Bluebird_Wagon.inc )

        AntiSlip ()

        include ( ..\\eng_inc\\Brake_Westinghouse_twin_pipe_wagon.inc )

      Comment ( ============= Brake Force======= )

        MaxBrakeForce ( 40kN # disk brakes )


      Comment ( =========== Lighting =========== )

        include ( Bluebird_Lighting.inc )


        Sound ( "RDCeng.sms" )

      Comment ( =========== Start Passenger View ============= )

        Inside (
                PassengerCabinFile ( 252.s )
                PassengerCabinHeadPos ( 1.1 2.4 1.0 )
                RotationLimit ( 60 360 0 )
                StartDirection ( 0 7 0 )

                Sound ( "RDCpassenger.sms" )
                )
)



Engine ( 252

        include ( Bluebird_Effects.inc )

        Wagon ( 252 )

        Name ( "AU SAR Bluebird [x] 252 Blue Wren" )

        EngineControllers
                (
                include ( ..\\eng_inc\\EMD_noncpu_8_notch_throttle.inc )
                include ( ..\\eng_inc\\Brake_controler_Westinghouse_Graduated.inc )
                include ( Bluebird_EngineControllers_misc.inc )
                )

        include ( ..\\eng_inc\\Brake_Westinghouse_engine.inc )
        include ( Bluebird_motive.inc )

)

Bluebird_Wagon.inc

Comment ( required by new parser )

        size (  3m 4.2m 24.1m )
        CentreOfGravity ( 0m 1.33m 0m )
        Mass ( 45t )
        WheelRadius ( 34in/2 )
        InertiaTensor ( Box (  3m 4.2m 24.1m ) )

        Adheasion ( 0.18 0.37 1.8 0 )
        DerailRailHeight ( 7cm )
        DerailRailForce ( 2.7*50t )
        DerailBufferForce ( 1000kN )
        NumWheels ( 4 )

      Comment ( =========== Friction =========== )

        Comment ( FC_calc parameters 4 axles, 11 sq m, wt 40t )
 Friction (771.0N/m/s    -0.10    1.1mph    10.741N/m/s    1.880
                5.1N/rad/s              1               -1rad/s         0               1 )

        comment ( Friction modified with TS-FastFix 0.9
                 All equations from FCalc 2.0 by Joseph T. Realmuto.

                 Rail Unit Type : Locomotive -Diesel or Electric-
                 Speed Range    : 50 mph / 80 kph
                 Number of Axles: 4
                 Weight         : 40.0 t
                 Frontal Area   : 11.34 m²
                 Cd             : 0.65
                )


      Comment ( =========== Coupling Buffers =========== )



        Coupling        (
                        Type ( Automatic )
                        Spring  (
                                Stiffness ( 1e7N/m 3e7N/m )
                                Damping ( 1e7N/m/s 4e7n/m/s )
                                Break ( 1e7N 5e7N )
                                r0 ( 4cm 4cm )
                                )
                        CouplingHasRigidConnection ( 1 )
                        Velocity ( 0.1m/s )
                        )

        Buffers (
                Spring (
                        Stiffness ( 4.5e5N/m 5e6N/m )
                        Damping ( 1.2e6N/m/s 1.2e6N/m/s )
                        r0 ( 0m 0.078m )
                        )
                Centre ( 0.5 )
                Radius ( 1 )
                Angle ( 0.5deg )
                )

Bluebird_motive.inc

Comment ( required by new parser )

 Type ( Diesel )
 MaxPower ( 500hp )
 MaxForce ( 48KN )
 MaxContinuousForce ( 51kn )

 MaxDieselLevel( 225gal )
 MaxVelocity ( 90mph )
 MaxCurrent ( 500A )

 WheelRadius ( 40cm )
 NumWheels ( 4 )
 MaxTemperature ( 120 )
 MaxOilPressure ( 90 )

 AirBrakesAirCompressorPowerRating ( 5 )
 AirBrakesMainResVolume            ( 5 )
 AirBrakesAirCompressorWattage     ( 19000 )
 AirBrakesIsCompressorElectricOrMechanical        ( 0 )

 CabView ( bluey.cvf )
        HeadOut  ( -1.8 2.7 9.0 )
  DieselEngineType( "electric" )
 MaxDieselLevel                    ( 500gal )
 DieselUsedPerHourAtMaxPower       ( 21.0gal )
 DieselUsedPerHourAtIdle           ( 1.4gal )

 DieselSmokeEffectInitialMagnitude ( 0.5 )
 DieselSmokeEffectMaxMagnitude     ( 0.05 )
 DieselSmokeEffectInitialSmokeRate ( 0.9 )
 DieselSmokeEffectMaxSmokeRate     ( 4 )

 DieselEngineIdleRPM                    ( 450 )
 DieselEngineStallRPM                   ( 300 )
 DieselEngineMaxRPM                     ( 1800 )
 DieselEngineSpeedOfMaxTractiveEffort   ( 16mph )
     DieselEngineMaxRPMChangeRate           ( 850 )


 AWSMonitor(
  MonitoringDeviceMonitorTimeLimit      ( -1 )
  MonitoringDeviceAlarmTimeLimit        ( 5 )
  MonitoringDevicePenaltyTimeLimit      ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceCriticalLevel         ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceResetLevel            ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesFullBrake      ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesEmergencyBrake ( 1 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesCutsPower      ( 0 )
  MonitoringDeviceAppliesShutsDownEngine( 0 )
  )


 EngineVariables ( 200 )
     comment(* initial fuel_level in gals  *)

 Sound ( "RDCCab.sms" )

  Name ( "AU SAR Bluebird [x] 254 Brolga" )


   Description (
      "SAR Bluebird set by Alexander Jamieson \n"+
      "___________________\n\n"+
      "Original cabview © Alex Hall\n"+
      "___________________\n\n"+
        "SMS sound files aliased to\n"+ "Gaetan Belanger's Budd RDC\n"+
        "___________________\n\n"+
      "The Bluebirds commenced service on the Morgan line in 1954 and over "+
        "the next 5 years they assumed the services to Moonta, Mount Gambier, "+
        "Terowie, Gladstone, Tailem Bend and Victor Harbour. "+
        "The eleven power cars and the seven trailer cars were all named after "+
        "Australian birds and the railcars very quickly became known as The BlueBirds. \n\n"+

 "Power: 2 x 250HP @ 2100rpm\n"+
 "Engines: Two Cummins 6-cylinder diesel engines\n"+
 "Twin disc torque converter\n\n"+
 "Maximum Speed: 70 mph 113.4 Km/h\n\n"+
 "Width:  2.972m (9ft 9in)\n"+
 "Length: 23.85m (78ft 3in)\n"+
 "Weight:  250-60t; 100-52t; 280-42t\n"

Bluebird_Effects.inc

Comment ( required by new parser )

        Effects
                (
                        DieselSpecialEffects
                        (
                        comment
                                (
                                the format of these little blocks is as follow:

                                offset.x offset.y offset.z
                                normal.x normal.y normal.z
                                width in metres

                                defining the offset from the shape pivot point
                                where steam / smoke should appear, the direction
                                it should go and the width of the nozzle
                                )

                        Exhaust1
                                (
                                0.75 4.15 4.35
                                0 1 0
                                0.04
                                )

                        Exhaust2
                                (
                                -0.5 4.15 4.35
                                0 1 0
                                0.04
                                )
                        )
                )

Bluebird_EngineControllers_misc.inc

This controls the engine controls misc switch's (I think), this has been put here as its likely the setup is individual to a particular machine.

Comment ( required by new parser )

                                    EngineBrakingButton    ( 0 1 0 )
                                    DirControl             ( -1 0 1 1 )
                                    BellToggle             ( 0 1 0 )
                                    AWS                    ( 0 1 0 )
                                    Sanding                ( 0 1 0 )
                                    Horn                   ( 0 1 0 )
                                    Wipers                 ( 0 1 0 )
                                    Vigilance ( 0 1 0 )
                                    Headlights ( 0 0.25 1 0 )

[Lindsayts]

Bluebird eng files part 2, the lighting file

Bluebird_Lighting.inc

Comment ( required by new parser )

      Comment ( =========== Lighting ===========
                using LightFx by Yuri Sos May 2006
                set for south line )

Lights  ( 12

        Light (
                comment( Sphere of light bright )
                Type      ( 1 )
                Conditions      (
                                Headlight ( 3 )
                                Unit      ( 2 )
                                )
                Cycle           ( 0 )
                FadeIn     ( 0.75 )
                FadeOut     ( 1.00 )
                States  ( 1
                        State   (
                                Duration    ( 0.0 )
                                LightColour ( eff9ec95 )
                                Position    ( 0.0 3.6 10.01 )
                                Transition  ( 0 )
                                Radius      ( 450.0 )
                                Angle       ( 35.0 )
                                )
                        )
                )
        Light   (
                comment( Headlight dim )
                Type       ( 0 )
                Conditions      (
                                Headlight  ( 2 )
                                Unit       ( 2 )
                                )
                FadeIn          ( 0.5 )
                FadeOut         ( 0.5 )
                Cycle           (  0  )
                States  (       1
                        State   (
                                Duration    ( 0.0 )
                                LightColour ( C0D9B04F )
                                Position    ( 0.0 3.7 11.90 )
                                Azimuth     ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
                                Transition  ( 0 )
                                Radius      ( 0.25 )
                                )
                        )
                )

        Light   (
                comment( Headlight bright player )
                Type      ( 0 )
                Conditions      (
                                Headlight ( 3 )
                                Unit      ( 2 )
                                )
                FadeIn     ( 0.5  )
                FadeOut     ( 0.75 )
                Cycle           ( 0 )
                States  ( 1
                        State   (
                                Duration    ( 0.0 )
                                LightColour ( ffF7EDC5 )
                                Position    ( 0.0 3.68 11.95 )
                                Azimuth     ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
                                Transition  ( 0 )
                                Radius      ( 0.35 )
                                )
                        )
                )

        Light   (
                comment( Headlight bright AI )
                Type      ( 0 )
                Conditions
                        (
                        Control   ( 1 )
                        Unit      ( 2 )
                        Service   ( 2 )
                        )
                FadeIn     ( 0.5  )
                FadeOut     ( 0.75 )
                Cycle           ( 0 )
                States  ( 1
                        State   (
                                Duration    ( 0.0 )
                                LightColour ( ffF7EDC5 )
                                Position    ( 0.0 3.68 11.95 )
                                Azimuth     ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
                                Transition  ( 0 )
                                Radius      ( 0.35 )
                                )
                        )
                )
Light (
     comment( right front Marker light AI )
     Type      ( 0 )
     Conditions (
          Service   ( 2 )
          Control   ( 1 )
          Unit      ( 0 )
          TimeOfDay ( 2 )
     )
     Cycle           ( 0 )
     FadeIn     ( 0.5 )
     FadeOut     ( 0.5 )
     States ( 1
          State (
               Duration      ( 0.5 )
               LightColour   ( ffD9B04F )
               Position      ( 1.15 3.625 11.775 )
               Azimuth       ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
               Transition    ( 0 )
               Radius        ( 0.125 )
          )
     )
)

Light (
     comment( left front Marker light AI )
     Type      ( 0 )
     Conditions (
          Service   ( 2 )
          Control   ( 1 )
          Unit      ( 0 )
          TimeOfDay ( 2 )
     )
     Cycle           ( 0 )
     FadeIn     ( 0.5 )
     FadeOut     ( 0.5 )
     States ( 1
          State (
               Duration      ( 0.5 )
               LightColour   ( ffD9B04F )
               Position      ( -1.15 3.625 11.775 )
               Azimuth       ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
               Transition    ( 0 )
               Radius        ( 0.125 )
          )
     )
)

Light (
     comment( right front Marker light dim night )
     Type      ( 0 )
     Conditions (
          Headlight ( 2 )
          Unit      ( 0 )
          TimeOfDay ( 2 )
     )
     Cycle           ( 0 )
     FadeIn     ( 0.5 )
     FadeOut     ( 0.5 )
     States ( 1
          State (
               Duration      ( 0.5 )
               LightColour   ( ffD9B04F )
               Position      ( 1.15 3.625 11.775 )
               Azimuth       ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
               Transition    ( 0 )
               Radius        ( 0.125 )
          )
     )
)

Light (
     comment( left front Marker light dim night )
     Type      ( 0 )
     Conditions (
          Headlight ( 2 )
          Unit      ( 0 )
          TimeOfDay ( 2 )
     )
     Cycle           ( 0 )
     FadeIn     ( 0.5 )
     FadeOut     ( 0.5 )
     States ( 1
          State (
               Duration      ( 0.5 )
               LightColour   ( ffD9B04F )
               Position      ( -1.15 3.625 11.775 )
               Azimuth       ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
               Transition    ( 0 )
               Radius        ( 0.125 )
          )
     )
)

Light (
     comment( right front Marker light bright night )
     Type      ( 0 )
     Conditions (
          Headlight ( 3 )
          Unit      ( 0 )
          TimeOfDay ( 2 )
     )
     Cycle           ( 0 )
     FadeIn     ( 0.5 )
     FadeOut     ( 0.5 )
     States ( 1
          State (
               Duration      ( 0.5 )
               LightColour   ( ffD9B04F )
               Position      ( 1.15 3.625 11.775 )
               Azimuth       ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
               Transition    ( 0 )
               Radius        ( 0.125 )
          )
     )
)
Light (
     comment( left front Marker light bright night )
     Type      ( 0 )
     Conditions (
          Headlight ( 3 )
          Unit      ( 0 )
          TimeOfDay ( 2 )
     )
     Cycle           ( 0 )
     FadeIn     ( 0.5 )
     FadeOut     ( 0.5 )
     States ( 1
          State (
               Duration      ( 0.5 )
               LightColour   ( ffD9B04F )
               Position      ( -1.15 3.625 11.775 )
               Azimuth       ( 0.0 0.0 0.0 )
               Transition    ( 0 )
               Radius        ( 0.125 )
          )
     )
)



Light (
     comment( right rear RED Marker light )
     Type      ( 0 )
     Conditions (
          Service   ( 2 )
          Control   ( 0 )
          Unit      ( 3 )
     )
     Cycle           ( 0 )
     FadeIn          ( 0.5 )
     FadeOut         ( 0.5 )
     States ( 1
          State (
               Duration      ( 0.5 )
               LightColour   ( ffff0000 )
               Position      ( 1.15 3.625 -11.78 )
               Azimuth       ( 180.0 180.0 180.0 )
               Transition    ( 0 )
               Radius        ( 0.125 )
          )
     )
)

Light   (
        comment( left rear RED Marker light )
        Type      ( 0 )
        Conditions      (
                        Service   ( 2 )
                        Control   ( 0 )
                        Unit      ( 3 )
                        )
        Cycle           ( 0 )
        FadeIn     ( 0.5 )
        FadeOut     ( 0.5 )
        States ( 1
                State   (
                        Duration      ( 0.5 )
                        LightColour   ( ffff0000 )
                        Position      ( -1.15 3.625 -11.78 )
                        Azimuth       ( 180.0 180.0 180.0 )
                        Transition    ( 0 )
                        Radius        ( 0.125 )
                        )
                )
        )
)
      Comment ( =========== End Lighting ================ )

[Lindsayts]

Bluebird eng files part 3, the files that are common to other class's

Brake_Westinghouse_engine.inc

Comment ( required by new parser )

 AirBrakesMainMinResAirPressure    ( 70 )
 AirBrakesMainMaxAirPressure       ( 110 )
 AirBrakesCompressorRestartPressure( 105 )

 AirBrakesAirUsedPerPoundsOfBrakePipePressure     ( 1 )
 AirBrakesHasLowPressureTest                      ( 1 )

 TrainBrakesControllerMaxApplicationRate          ( 4.5 )
 TrainBrakesControllerMaxReleaseRate              ( 40 )
 TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyApplicationRate    ( 5 )
 TrainBrakesControllerMinSystemPressure           ( 0 )
 TrainBrakesControllerMaxSystemPressure           ( 70 )
 TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyBrakeTimePenalty   ( 0 )
 TrainBrakesControllerFullServicePressureDrop     ( 26 )

 BrakesTrainBrakeType          ( "Air_twin_pipe" )

Brake_Westinghouse_twin_pipe_wagon.inc

Comment ( required by new parser )

        Comment ( Westingouse brake system - lap/apply )

        BrakeEquipmentType( "Graduated_release_triple_valve, Emergency_reservoir, Auxilary_reservoir" )
        BrakeSystemType( "Air_twin_pipe" )

        TripleValveRatio                            ( 2.5 )
        MaxReleaseRate                              ( 40 )
        MaxApplicationRate                          ( 3.5 )
        MaxAuxilaryChargingRate                     ( 20 )
        BrakeCylinderPressureForMaxBrakeBrakeForce  ( 50 )

Brake_controler_Westinghouse_Graduated.inc

This as yet does not have an Engine brake, I assume the bluebirds had individual brakes. The newer Sprinters certainly do.

Comment ( required by new parser )


                        Brake_Train ( 0 1 0.03125 0.40
                                        NumNotches
                                                ( 5
                                                Notch( 0 0 TrainBrakesControllerReleaseStart )
                                                Notch( 0.3 1 TrainBrakesControllerGraduatedSelfLapLimitedHoldingStart )
                                                Notch( 0.85 0 TrainBrakesControllerSuppressionStart )
                                                Notch( 0.9 0 TrainBrakesControllerContinuousServiceStart )
                                                Notch( 0.95 0 TrainBrakesControllerEmergencyStart )
                                                )
                                    )

EMD_noncpu_8_notch_throttle.inc

This is for EMD DE loco's using the older magnetic amplifier control, used up to at least the 1980's. A great deal of effort has gone into working out the power levels. The notch power data comming from four separate sources.

1: A loco driver I know,
2: A detailed study of the way the Woodward governor system works
3: Calculating the power levels from the fuel flow at each of the 8 notchs.
4: An Indian railways document on setting up the govenors power levels for an EMD machine.

So I am fairly confident that this is reasonably accurate.

The GE dash 7's notch levels are NOT the same.

Finally this is not the original throttle for the Bluebird, the original being in my opinion VERY unsatisfactory.

Comment ( required by new parser )

                        Throttle        ( 0 1 0.0625 0
                                        NumNotches
                                                ( 9
                                                Notch ( 0     0 Dummy )
                                                Notch ( 0.063   0 Dummy )
                                                Notch ( 0.125    0 Dummy )
                                                Notch ( 0.250   0 Dummy )
                                                Notch ( 0.334     0 Dummy )
                                                Notch ( 0.500   0 Dummy )
                                                Notch ( 0.667   0 Dummy )
                                                Notch ( 0.813   0 Dummy )
                                                Notch ( 1     0 Dummy )
                                                )
                                        )