Elvas Tower: Improving adhesion - Elvas Tower

Jump to content

Posting Rules

All new threads will be started by members of the Open Rails team, Staff, and/or Admins. Existing threads started in other forums may get moved here when it makes sense to do so.

Once a thread is started any member may post replies to it.
  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Improving adhesion Rate Topic: -----

#11 User is offline   Laci1959 

  • Foreman Of Engines
  • Group: Status: Contributing Member
  • Posts: 939
  • Joined: 01-March 15
  • Gender:Male
  • Simulator:Alföld
  • Country:

Posted 03 April 2022 - 11:12 PM

 engmod, on 03 April 2022 - 12:46 PM, said:

I too am looking forward to the outcome of this effort.
Up to this point I have only used the simple adhesion model as the advanced model did not work well enough for me.


A lot depends on the proper setting of the vehicle. Rolling resistance (ORTSDavis), traction (ORTSCurtius_Kniffler), spindle deceleration (ORTSInertia).
The setting that is good for everything is not good for anything.
The eng wag builder should take the time to review these parameters and correct them as needed.

#12 User is offline   mozdonyos 

  • Apprentice
  • Group: Status: Dispatcher
  • Posts: 34
  • Joined: 20-February 14
  • Gender:Male
  • Simulator:OR
  • Country:

Posted 04 April 2022 - 10:15 AM

Hi cesarbl!

Thank you very much for your help with the diesel mechanical locomotive topic.
With the latest update, my simulation has been greatly improved using the ORTSInertia command, and the wheel slip also seems stable.
If I use all the parameters related to traction and take my own driving experience into account when setting the values, I get a very close simulation in all weather conditions.

Thank you for your work, further successful development!

#13 User is offline   cesarbl 

  • Conductor
  • Group: Status: Active Member
  • Posts: 395
  • Joined: 30-March 20
  • Gender:Male
  • Simulator:Open Rails
  • Country:

Posted 04 April 2022 - 11:21 AM

I also reduced the default inertia value, so that users get more accurate results without having to modify the inertia, as that value is not usually available in technical documents.

#14 User is offline   Laci1959 

  • Foreman Of Engines
  • Group: Status: Contributing Member
  • Posts: 939
  • Joined: 01-March 15
  • Gender:Male
  • Simulator:Alföld
  • Country:

Posted 04 April 2022 - 11:42 AM

 cesarbl, on 04 April 2022 - 11:21 AM, said:

I also reduced the default inertia value, so that users get more accurate results without having to modify the inertia, as that value is not usually available in technical documents.


Perhaps a time interval should be specified during which, after setting the throttled wheel to zero (Throtle), the wheel will pick up the rolling speed corresponding to the speed. Drivers know and feel this from experience.

#15 User is offline   cesarbl 

  • Conductor
  • Group: Status: Active Member
  • Posts: 395
  • Joined: 30-March 20
  • Gender:Male
  • Simulator:Open Rails
  • Country:

Posted 03 October 2022 - 10:37 AM

Hi all,
It has been reported that there are some fake wheelslip alarms when starting the train. I tried to solve that in the unstable release. Could you try that?

#16 User is offline   darwins 

  • Superintendant
  • Group: Status: Elite Member
  • Posts: 1,231
  • Joined: 25-September 17
  • Gender:Male
  • Simulator:Open Rails
  • Country:

Posted 03 October 2022 - 12:31 PM

I have not seen this in the regular unstable version, but this did happen to a small loco I tried in the MG version.

#17 User is online   engmod 

  • Open Rails Developer
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: ET Admin
  • Posts: 1,761
  • Joined: 26-February 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Eltham, Victoria, Australia
  • Simulator:ORNYMG
  • Country:

Posted 03 October 2022 - 01:19 PM

 cesarbl, on 03 October 2022 - 10:37 AM, said:

Hi all,
It has been reported that there are some fake wheelslip alarms when starting the train. I tried to solve that in the unstable release. Could you try that?


I will try that today for you. Is that in u2022.10.03-2052?

#18 User is online   engmod 

  • Open Rails Developer
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: ET Admin
  • Posts: 1,761
  • Joined: 26-February 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Eltham, Victoria, Australia
  • Simulator:ORNYMG
  • Country:

Posted 03 October 2022 - 04:01 PM

Hi Cesar,

I tested u2022.10.03-2052 and did not get any traction warnings.

I include a log file and the eng file that I used.

Attached File(s)



#19 User is online   engmod 

  • Open Rails Developer
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: ET Admin
  • Posts: 1,761
  • Joined: 26-February 08
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Eltham, Victoria, Australia
  • Simulator:ORNYMG
  • Country:

Posted 19 January 2023 - 09:35 PM

Hi Cesar,

I am testing advanced adhesion with AC loco ( sd70ace ) with ORMG 136.1.
I have loaded a heavy train and going up a hill.

When I slow down for a red light, I go under 5mph at notch 4 ( sander on ), the wheelslip goes silly, slip-end slip-end, you can see tractive effort going up and down.
I would not have thought that at notch 4 you could get wheelslip as the power level is too low.

Once you want to go to notch 5, the wheelslip stops?

Attached File(s)



  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users