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Baltimore & Ohio coal drag 1850's Iron pots and camels, oh my Rate Topic: -----

#1 User is offline   Frank Musick 

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Posted 13 December 2021 - 01:14 PM

Put some lettering on my iron pot hopper car and strung them behind my B&O "camel". The textures on the hoppers aren't mapped quite right but hey, their well over 15 years old.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/63/3a/56/633a5608dd45da243210497dd570a8d4.jpg


Is there an easy way to give eacxh car an individual number or do I need to whole lot of separate models. They'd all be identical except for the number.

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Posted 13 December 2021 - 05:59 PM

As said before:
"Freight animation" shape in form of flat decal textures for all concerned sides.
ORTS, IIRC supports multiple FA's so another FA could be animated coal pillow.

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 10:06 AM

Cool, Frank! Can you show us the pot hoppers? I didn't know you had made one. It was one of my 'to-do' projects.

Yeah, weter is right. I have done so on a coal jimmy to make ten different numbered cars.

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The wag file entry for the number poly shape file:

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Trouble is, they all look the same. While that is OK for most operators, I like to have each car unique. It's not such a big deal with the short trains of the era.

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 12:12 PM

 timmuir, on 15 December 2021 - 10:06 AM, said:

Cool, Frank! Can you show us the pot hoppers? I didn't know you had made one. It was one of my 'to-do' projects.


The lettering is messed up. The original textures are mapped "nonchalantly"
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/24/55/87/24558784874d1ec3263cc998554d8549.jpg

I like your jimmies...Are they available for download?

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Posted 15 December 2021 - 03:45 PM

Thanks, Frank.

Yes, you can find the jimmies here., 4th file down.

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 12:07 PM

 timmuir, on 15 December 2021 - 03:45 PM, said:

Thanks, Frank.

Yes, you can find the jimmies here., 4th file down.


Thank you!

Three things...
The Pot hoppers might be in our library, but I know for sure they are in Train.sim. The textures won't have lettering.

I'm looking at B&O 188...You actually modeled the bolts? Crikey!
Hoping to add this kind of detail to the camels. I noticed you broke it into a bunch of FA files. Was this because of poly count?

Do you know anywhere I can find image or description of a camels control placement?

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 12:33 PM

Ukrainian trainsimmers made a library of variety freight anims for their flatcars, hoppers, gondolas as common cab/sound were made.
So every open freight car model has some variants, calling different FA's from that library.
Tim shown exactly, what I've meant: their EMU models consist of similar shapes, but calling different car numbers in form like ЭP2-XXXXNN, where X-four digit EMU train's number and NN is it's car number between 01to12

To Your question: it's possible to make *.wag-files, referring to similar shape, but different textures.

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Posted 16 December 2021 - 05:59 PM

Tim....downloaded your Jimmys. They're great.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/79/a6/d879a69753b134d4d6113ddf78048baa.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/87/e0/f5/87e0f5b44691ebd984bda82c190b4083.jpg


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Posted 16 December 2021 - 07:35 PM

Hi Frank, and thank you!

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I'm looking at B&O 188...You actually modeled the bolts? Crikey!
Hoping to add this kind of detail to the camels. I noticed you broke it into a bunch of FA files. Was this because of poly count?

Yeah, I modeled the bolts. They are the first to go in the levels of detail assignments. I knew it was nuts, but I also want these models to be interesting to the observer, fun to sit in and look around, and to be educational as well. I strive for as much correctness wherever possible. But sometimes I had to make assumptions where certain details are not known, and do the best I can using what I do know about it.

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Do you know anywhere I can find image or description of a camels control placement?

That's going to be tough. The closest I can find at the moment is a photo in Al Staufer's "B&O Power", on page 39. It's a view of a burned and stripped camel at Martinsburg after the rebel raid of 1861. It looks like the controls were attached to the large steam dome (the camel's hump). But it's hard to tell exactly what's what, with all the guys hanging out on the wreck, partially blocking the view. It's the lot in life for modelers of the era in question. There's very little documentation and you really have to be good at research and lucky in serendipity to find nuggets of information. Another book I recommend for the era is John H. White's "A History of the American Locomotive, It's Development: 1830-1880". He has a chapter devoted to camels, on pages 347-357. This includes super-good drawings of the 0-8-0 Susquehanna, which show details of it's incredibly complex valve and running gear.

The White book also has a chapter on Henry Tyson's Ten-Wheelers, as well.

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Posted 17 December 2021 - 09:35 AM

 Weter, on 17 December 2021 - 09:33 AM, said:

Are they special shunting engines?


Mainline power. It was much simpler 160 years ago.


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