[Weter]

Hungarian route Balaton-Del v4 (south coast of Balaton railway line #30) have semi-hill for sorting wagons at Székesfehérvár station too.
http://users.atw.hu/...on/balaton.html

Correction:Inbound-Tranzit Park

[Csantucci]

alifatico, on 28 August 2021 - 12:30 AM, said:

Could you tell me which route the video images belong to?

Thank you

It's the nice Rübelandbahn, that you can download from here
https://www.treinpun...a=view;down=546
or here
http://www.freeway-g...229c5085e7241f8

It requires a mini-route installation, and includes rolling stock and activities.

[Laci1959]

Weter, on 28 August 2021 - 02:34 AM, said:

Hungarian route Balaton-Del v4 (south coast of Balaton railway line #30) have semi-hill for sorting wagons at Székesfehérvár station too.
http://users.atw.hu/...on/balaton.html
SS.jpg
Correction:Inbound-Tranzit Park

Hello Weter
That rolling hill (we call it that) is not real. The track builder is not a railwayman, so he could not have known that there was a 50-thousandth slope from the top of the Hill to the switches. The switches lie on a slope of 15 per thousand. The directional tracks where the cars arrive are on an ascent of 2-3 per thousand. This is called a blocking slope by track professionals.
Thousands: 1000m: 1m slope or ascent. That is, at a length of 1000 meters, the level difference is 1 meter.
Laci 1959

[alifatico]

Csantucci, on 28 August 2021 - 04:50 AM, said:

It's the nice Rübelandbahn, that you can download from here
https://www.treinpun...a=view;down=546
or here
http://www.freeway-g...229c5085e7241f8

It requires a mini-route installation, and includes rolling stock and activities.

A lot of Thanks

Pedro

[Weter]

Hello, Laci!
We are trying to make center of station tracks below level of both bottle throats too.
That gives two benefits:
It keeps consist's buffers compressed, so it's easier for locomotive to start heavy trains;
And, of course, it prevents cars from escape from station tracks to stretch.

Then, please tell me about Gyekenies station: the slope there (at kihuzo towards Croatian border) is not real too?

[Laci1959]

I don't have any Transdanubian (DDu, KDu, etc.) tracks, except for the Balaton Dél track. I think there is a lack of enough slope after the breaking point.

[Weter]

I have Balaton-Del only too. KDU T5 refuses to run.
So I have seen that sloped kihuzo there.
Looks like semi-hill for rolling.

[alifatico]

A question Carlo.

When I release the car from the Hump Yard it is braked and does not descend.

Some solution ?

Best Regards

Pedro

[Csantucci]

It should be enough to fully release the train brakes, and then to close the angle cocks of all wagons using the Car Operations Window (in the Brake Information page the angle cocks must be all with the minus sign). When you have done this, you can start climbing the hump yard with your train.

[Weter]

There are bleed-off valves operation strings at train operations window (called by F9)
This will open BCs to atmosphere, so brakes will be released for coasting after decoupling.
Just as in real-life operations at sorting hills.
Bur we have no wagon retarders, or speed managers with their brake-shoes at the downhill park, so cars will not be stopped on storing tracks.
Hence, cars will run away from park then.

[R H Steele]

Weter, on 22 October 2021 - 12:40 PM, said:

There are bleed-off valves operation strings at train operations window (called by F9)
This will open BCs to atmosphere, so brakes will be released for coasting after decoupling.
Just as in real-life operations at sorting hills.
Bur we have no wagon retarders, or speed managers with their brake-shoes at the downhill park, so cars will not be stopped on storing tracks.
Hence, cars will run away from park then.

Would placing an old MSTS invisio-car consist on the track at the downhill park stop the cars? A clumsy trick, but it might work.

[vince]

R H Steele, on 22 October 2021 - 03:26 PM, said:

Would placing an old MSTS invisio-car consist on the track at the downhill park stop the cars? A clumsy trick, but it might work.

Or . . . a location event to slow/stop the cars?
vince

[DirtyRam]

R H Steele, on 22 October 2021 - 03:26 PM, said:

Would placing an old MSTS invisio-car consist on the track at the downhill park stop the cars? A clumsy trick, but it might work.

Hey Gerry, actually when we flat switched in yards we would put a few cars at other end ( taking the room ). Then we would tie on handbrakes nice and tight and kick cars into the tracks. As the yard I'm talking about had a slight down grade ( Parkdale Yard in Toronto ) thats how we kept cars from running out the other end. So your idea isn't so far fetched. If a yard is on level ground ( Lambton Yard ) it will be sloped from both ends down into the middle. Even though usually you can't tell by looking at it.

Mike

[Weter]

What a nice discussion, gentlemen!
I do like every post up there.

Well, in order of appearance:

@ Gerry
I find this idea quite good, so far, at ORTS there is no derailments after strucking with standstill objects, at ANY speed.
But, the only thing: when the plan of activity would contain further operations with formed consists, there will be visual gaps, if inviso cars will be situated between first actual car and locomotive/other consist's actual car.
Or we should try with zero-length/minimal-length shaped invisos.

@ Vince
Sounds very nice for me, but I can't imagine: how events would work in such situation: what the way, they would help to manage coasting locomotiveless cars speed?

@ Mike
First, instead of pre-positioned cars, the braking shoes, pre-placed on rails could be used here. I'll search for the pictures for you...See UPDATE at very bottom.
But certainly, the game can't do it for us nowadays.
Second: every inbound-outbound track, when the park is on level ground (the flat) is recommended to profile (during construction/maintenance) as you said: with ends slight elevated/middle slight lowered.
Aside of preventing loose consists to escape from siding, this will help on coupling-uncoupling operations, and (what is more important) for starting heavy trains to either direction, because all consist is compressed towards it's center. So there is a good amount of couplers slack. Engine will start cars one-by one, what is easier.

Summary:
We can, of course, train on rolling down our train via explore mode, but:
Who would prevent us to establish a special activity, where some cars are already at downhill park's tracks?
Obvious, if such, we can place real cars there, no need to deal with invisos.
Then, things will look, as Mike adviced. Quite real look-like.

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Upd, for Mike&others:
Some pictures&reference:
https://ru.wikipedia...%BC%D0%B0%D0%BA
As you can see, this works as a brake, sliding upon rail's head with moving car's wheel.

More "special thing" looks like that:
https://ru.m.wikiped...ный_замедлитель

[Laci1959]

https://kephost.net/p/2021/42/5333_5446876c4cf5.png

Hello.

Schematic sketch of the construction of a hump yard. It only works in one direction. Smaller stations may have a flatter design, two-way. On the 15-thousandth slope, there are detours (Pnt) and any track brakes.

Sincerely, Laci 1959