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Using a traffic-graph's gird in timetable design process The pretty idea

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Posted 15 March 2021 - 07:59 AM

Hello.
Working on timetable definition for Suojarvi single-track route, in absence of satisfying traffic pattern at actual passenger timetables and without info about freight traffic atall, I started to design my fictious version of timetable.
I've used as a base the timetables of late 1980-th, but there are things to add or modify.

So, today I thought: why not to draw the graph: it would be helpful for thinking, illustrative...
I took a pencil and a sheet of paper, but some minutes later, thought to try it at Excel.

The gird is follow:
-rows for every 10km (2px/km) is 20px height. 45 rows total
-columns for every hour (1px/min) is 60px widt. 24 columns.

Rows need to be splitted to correspond the actual station positions, then borders need to be brought up.
Then I discovered the possibility to draw the lines (as add an object function) that can be edited then.
I've used insert object>line and draw needed lines. Later, each of ends for every line can be moved as desired, thickness and color of lines can be altered

Well, another benefit of the graph is possibility to analyse traffic situation, predict, optimize and add threads for trains. Estimate current and needed speeds and stop times.
The work would to be advanced.

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Posted 15 March 2021 - 11:16 AM

I always draw the graph. It helps a lot finding out where there are crossings or overtakings... and to manage the station tracks!

I have my own excell table to do it!

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Posted 15 March 2021 - 11:17 AM

What "own" means here? I wonder.
How many tracks are needed to use at the same time, you mean?

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Posted 16 March 2021 - 03:52 AM

no mate.
An adjective meaning: to have or hold as one's own; possess; relating to, or belonging to myself.

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Posted 04 April 2021 - 08:59 AM

Well, this proove to be useful practice.
Attached File  graph.zip (63.8K)
Number of downloads: 48
Sketch for Suojarvi route. Not finished, but discussable.
and 120a complete now, WRT passenger traffic.

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Posted 04 April 2021 - 10:43 AM

Interesting idea.

I have only ever plotted graphs by hand. They are very much needed for single track routes where you have to make sure that trains only pass at passing places.
It would be good if there were (non-commercial) software available to plot timetables - that would make it easier to check for errors and correct them as well as convert between time table and graph or vice versa.


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Posted 05 April 2021 - 10:18 AM

Agree: the Excel is not so handy for that purpose, and only visual analysis is possible.
As we have timetable editor, why not have separate graph-plotter, or, better, etention?

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Posted 06 August 2021 - 11:35 PM

Hello.

I'm sorry, but I just came across this thread.
Maybe I can help. This is a program directly for this purpose. I confess, I never used it. TT makers tend to work on a real career schedule. It also includes freight trains.

Regards Laci 1959
https://drive.google...iew?usp=sharing

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Posted 07 August 2021 - 12:13 AM

I have a registered copy of that jTrainGraph.
It helped me a lot making the timetables for my route. Saved me hours and hours. Both usefull for passings in single track and overtakings in double track... totally worth the 25€
It's not perfect. It has a rudimentary way of seeing station track ocupation wich is also usefull for making timetables.

Altough, before using this I used Excell with no great problmes. I've added it to the dowload files under Source Files & Utilities> Computer Utilities> Traffic Graph in Excel

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Posted 07 August 2021 - 09:02 AM

View PostAldarion, on 07 August 2021 - 12:13 AM, said:

I have a registered copy of that jTrainGraph.
It helped me a lot making the timetables for my route. Saved me hours and hours. Both usefull for passings in single track and overtakings in double track... totally worth the 25€
It's not perfect. It has a rudimentary way of seeing station track ocupation wich is also usefull for making timetables.

Altough, before using this I used Excell with no great problmes. I've added it to the dowload files under Source Files & Utilities> Computer Utilities> Traffic Graph in Excel


Hello everyone,

I’m surprised at your problems with single-track crossings. I do this regularly without problems. I don’t need a chart for that. What about the dispatcher?

Did I misunderstand your problem?

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