[scottb613]

Hi Folks,

Question - anyone else use PGP and found a solution to the Win10 crash issue ?

I’ve used PGP for many years - it allows you to setup your joystick/controller to emulate keystrokes - which allows you to use any joystick/controller with ORTS... For those that still use a keyboard - it massively improves the immersion level when you can actually move a real lever or press a real button to drive trains... After being spoiled for so many years - I am finding it impossible to go back to using the keyboard as it just sucks all the enjoyment out of the sim for me...

Loss of my joystick/throttle is truly forcing me away from ORTS...

PGP - did work with previous versions of Win10 without issue - relatively recently - one of the big MS patch clusters killed it... The sole developer of PGP died a few years back so the product is unsupported... I’ve scoured the Internet - tried some suggested fixes - tried ALL the Win10 compatibility settings - and have spent the last couple months in search of a fix... There doesn’t appear to be many products in this niche - and the few others that are available - pale in comparison...

Would anyone have a fix that actually worked for this ?

Thanks...

Regards,
Scott

[ckawahara]

If you have a approximate date, try uninstalling the updates?

[hminky]

Haven't used PGP for a while. Fired up today.

Asked for an update. Ran fine in OpenRails with my TS2020 profile.

Here is their new site.

PGP site

Harold

[scottb613]

Hi Harold,

Thanks so much for the response...

I did download a fresh copy from that site...

Are you up to date with your Win10x64 updates ?

I’ve seen many complaints from others with the same issue - there are YouTube videos as well...

When you start PGP - the splash screen comes up - your get the message “loading data files” - then it CTD with no further messages...

Glad it works for you...

Regards,
Scott

[scottb613]

ckawahara, on 22 September 2019 - 06:41 AM, said:

If you have a approximate date, try uninstalling the updates?

Hi Craig,

Thanks for your response as well - yeah - I could uninstall patches - but then do I really want to run without them ? My PC is multipurpose and always connected to the Internet...

Regards,
Scott

[hminky]

Windows 10 Home 1903 installed 7/31/2019

Harold

[scottb613]

hminky, on 22 September 2019 - 07:48 AM, said:

Windows 10 Home 1903 installed 7/31/2019

Harold

Hi Harold,

Ditto - thanks...

Odd...

Regards,
Scott

[ckawahara]

scottb613, on 22 September 2019 - 07:22 AM, said:

Hi Craig,

Thanks for your response as well - yeah - I could uninstall patches - but then do I really want to run without them ? My PC is multipurpose and always connected to the Internet...

Regards,
Scott

It's time consuming, but any updates you remove will again become listed in available updates. A one-by-one uninstall (record the KB numbers jic) beginning with the suspected date(s) should reveal the one that caused it all. Not all updates are absolutely necessary for a secure system.

[scottb613]

ckawahara, on 22 September 2019 - 08:28 AM, said:

It's time consuming, but any updates you remove will again become listed in available updates. A one-by-one uninstall (record the KB numbers jic) beginning with the suspected date(s) should reveal the one that caused it all. Not all updates are absolutely necessary for a secure system.

Hi Craig,

Thanks again as well - yeah - although reluctant - I might have to head down that path - I really can't use the keyboard again after using a decent quality HOTAS setup for so long...

Regards,
Scott

[scottb613]

Hi Folks,

While digging through old posts here - I think I found a viable solution - in the past few weeks I've tried GlovePIE and Padstarr - both weren't very intuitive, awkward, and I'm not even sure I could get them to do what I wanted...

So after posting yesterday - I dove in around here and stumbled across an old post where someone mentioned "JoyToKey" - - - just what the doctor ordered... A simple - intuitive - interface - that seems to do everything I need it to do - to control trains in ORTS... While the post I found was from 2014 - it seems like the product is still supported with regular updates...

I'm still building out my profile but it seems to be going fast and works surprisingly well... I'm back to being a happy camper...

If you're still using a keyboard and have an old joystick or throttle or gamepad lying around - I would highly recommend trying something that will let you use them - it vastly improves the sim experience for me...

JoyToKey $7.00
https://joytokey.net/en/

Regards,
Scott