[steamer_ctn]

Stijn D.C., on 30 April 2017 - 12:35 AM, said:

Is there not website, where you can download every X version of ORTS?

Try here.

[Stijn D.C.]

Hello,

Thanks :-)

I have test, indeed it is since X3836, on X3835 amperéneedles working.

Sorry that i was thinking wrong, with youre link i can work better in that case ;-)


Greetz,

[steamer_ctn]

Stijn D.C., on 30 April 2017 - 01:03 AM, said:

I have test, indeed it is since X3836, on X3835 amperéneedles working.

Is this issue occurring on default diesel locomotive stock?

If so which unit?

Thanks

[Csantucci]

Peter,
you have a PM about this problem.

[Stijn D.C.]

steamer_ctn, on 30 April 2017 - 01:16 AM, said:

Is this issue occurring on default diesel locomotive stock?

If so which unit?

Thanks

Hello,

Do you main the MSTS standard Diesel locomotives? I dont have them anymore, but my cabviews are based on it.

And in this Diesels the AMP needle dont work too: (Piece of cabview.cvf)

Dial (
Type ( AMMETER DIAL )
Position ( 377 333 10 24 )
Graphic ( HLD55TVM-Kameter.ace )
Style ( NEEDLE )
ScaleRange ( 0 3000 )
ScalePos ( 240 130 )
Units ( AMPS )
Pivot ( 19 )
DirIncrease ( 0 )
)

But in 1 of my last cabviews i have use:

Dial (
Type ( LOAD_METER DIAL )
Position ( 321 277 5 19 )
Graphic ( HLD54-AMPERE.ace )
Style ( POINTER )
ScaleRange ( 0 750 )
ScalePos ( 298 65 )
Units ( AMPS )
Pivot ( 28 )
DirIncrease ( 0 )
)

This loadmeter works

Greetz,

Stijn

[steamer_ctn]

@StijnDC - I think that this issue should be now fixed in #3839. Please confirm.

Thanks for highlighting the issue.

@Carlo - Thanks for the heads up on the issue.

[Stijn D.C.]

Hello,

No problem i help/advise where i can ;-)

X3839 is upgraded, i have test on Diesel & Electric trains, the amperéneedles work back again :-)

:sign_thanks:

Greetz,

[steamer_ctn]

steamer_ctn, on 05 February 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

If we can classify each of the possible features into one of the following three categories, this may help us:
i) Visual - visible display features only, eg steam leaks
ii) Performance - features which impact the performance of the train, eg load variation
iii) Operational - features which require the player to operate something, turn on/off, turn up/down

I have had some time, and support from Chris Jakeman (thanks Chris) so I have managed to finish the first pass release of additional steam effects for steam generators on diesel trains (#3882). It is still very much a work in progress, and provides basic visual effects only, as suggested in the above proposal.

The effects provide the ability to add an extra diesel exhaust to the locomotive to simulate the steam generator, and the ability to add steam leaks to wagons. The two screenshots below show the effects in operation.

To set up the effects the following changes will need to made:

i) ENG File -

a) Add code to tell OR that a steam generator is fitted to the locomotive

MaxSteamHeatingPressure ( 80.0 )

Add code to define point where exhaust exits the locomotive

   			GeneratorFX
				(
					0.0 4.6 -5.66
					0 1 0
					0.15
				) 

NOTE: This is in the same format as other special effects.

ii) WAG Files -

Add a code block similar to the following -

Effects (
    	SteamEffects (

Comment ( == Steam Heating Leak == )  
   		
   	HeatingHoseFX (
				0.0 0.6 -11.64
					0 -1 0
					0.1
			)	
   		
   )
 )   

Again effects have a similar format to those in the locomotive.

For the effects to appear the following conditions need to be met:
i) Must be a season other then summer
ii) Steam effects must be set up as described above
iii) The steam Generator must be turned on - press Alt-U to increase the steam heat pressure (At this stage increasing this value does not impact the volume of steam emitted). Pressing Alt-D down to 0% will turn the steam heating off and stop the operation of the effects.

The effects with the above parameters will look similar to those shown in the screenshots below (extra diesel exhaust on engine and steam leak between the passenger cars).

Attached thumbnail(s)

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[SP 0-6-0]

Peter, One observation. Steam heat effects should be allowable in the summer as well. Steam was used for Air Conditioning on the ATSF, SP and UP, Milwaukee Road just to name a few. Also steam was used by the dining car on some railroads for just about everything. This is why on some Via Rail Trains there is steam leaks even in the summer time. Some Via cars are ex Milwaukee Road diners and the superdomes with steam AC systems are from the Milw.

The exhaust plume is completely off for the steam boiler. That exhaust looks like a HEP generator that is ready to throw in the towel. The exhaust plume for the boiler would be very light and almost hard to see. Also the color might be more bluish in color. I remember the Alco Pa video clips I have the exaust is light and wispy and is blue just like a vehicle burning oil.

Steam coming from the steam vents would be similar in discription to the exhaust except for the high pressure steam blow off when the boiler vents just like a steam locomotive does.

Robert

[steamer_ctn]

Hi Robert,

SP 0-6-0, on 29 June 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

Peter, One observation. Steam heat effects should be allowable in the summer as well. Steam was used for Air Conditioning on the ATSF, SP and UP, Milwaukee Road just to name a few. Also steam was used by the dining car on some railroads for just about everything. This is why on some Via Rail Trains there is steam leaks even in the summer time. Some Via cars are ex Milwaukee Road diners and the superdomes with steam AC systems are from the Milw.
............

Thanks for your feedback.

I will give it some further thought.

Given the interest, I am toying with the idea of perhaps producing a power car (I think that you guys call it a HEP).

Do you have any information on typical diesel electrical generators, etc used?

How would the effects differ from the steam generator?

Thanks

[SP 0-6-0]

Peter, I will get back to you on the HEP generator information. I've got to look through my documents and gather up the info.

HEP Head End Power is of a couple different setups, In the early years this would have been oversized steam driven turbo generators equipped to steam locomotives in commuter service. Ex, CNW pacifics used on the Chicago area commuter lines. The DC Voltage was used for the car lighting systems since the cars sat still for 20 out of every 24 hours. Also the frequent stops did not allow for adquate battery charging. When diesels came along the DC came from the main generator or from a smaller auxilliary generator.

The modern HEP setup is 3 phase AC either generated from the main diesel engine that also turns the traction generator or from a seperate HEP package installed in the locomotive or in a converted passenger or freight car.

The first pioneer in HEP AC generated from the main engine was the Erie Lackawanna ordered GE U34CH. Amtrak ordered it's F40PH after seeing the success of the U34CH which was used in New Jersey commuter service.

On the U34CH this setup needed the main engine to turn at 960RPM to maintain the 60 Hertz AC frequency for the 3Phase AC power. The engine was fed fuel and the main traction alternator would be excited to the nessecary degree but the engine RPM would stay constant. My link

The EMD F40PH worked on a similar bases. These setups worked well but are very hard on the main diesel engine.

Nowadays most locomotives either have a seperate HEP unit or a inverter setup so the main engine can run in a normal fashion and not wide open to maintain line frequency.

Robert

[Howky]

Hello,
Could anyone advise me to show me what the whole write for the wag file should look like?

Or attach a sample wag? Thank you

[Hobo]

CNR used steam generator units for their early diesel passenger trains with the F series engines . I think they also made some for MOW gangs that had a diesel fuel fired boiler for the steam for heat and an auxiliary generator run by a smaller size diesel for electricity . Sort of like a dual duty detachable Hep . I believe I got the model from the TS library and gave it some exhaust and sounds for the auxiliary diesel .
It's been around for many years .

[DirtyRam]

Hobo, on 02 July 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

CNR used steam generator units for their early diesel passenger trains with the F series engines . I think they also made some for MOW gangs that had a diesel fuel fired boiler for the steam for heat and an auxiliary generator run by a smaller size diesel for electricity . Sort of like a dual duty detachable Hep . I believe I got the model from the TS library and gave it some exhaust and sounds for the auxiliary diesel .
It's been around for many years .

Gaetan ( BLW ) has 2 CNR Steam Generator cars, 1 in green & gold and 1 in wet noodle ( black & white ).

[SP 0-6-0]

NJT U34CHLink 4Peter, This is what I have on old time and modern HEP or Head End Power setups. But first a little diversion.

I ran across this manual for another steam generator unit. Vapor208

Some info from the UK on steam heat technology UK Steam Heat

Old time DC HEP supply,

TO Discussion TO Link

UtahRails Dynamo HEP Dynamo Hep

RPCA Pullman Link 1 Link 1

RPCA Pullman Link 2 Link 2

RPCA Pullman Link 3 Link 3

RPCA Pullman Link 4 Link 4

Modern AC HEP.

GE NJT U34CH diesel locomotive. U34CH For a feel on how this early pioneer of HEP must of been like to ride on and be around please read

U34CH History by Frank Etzel

Reflections on the U34CH by Matthew Van Hattem

For technical information please see U34CH Operating Manual

Amtrak GE P30CH Operators Manual P30 OP Manual

Amtrak GE P30CH Operators Manual 2 P30 OP Man 2

Amtrak HEP Manual Amtrak HEP

UtahRails Amk Hep Utahrails Amk Hep

RPCA HEP Manual Drawings 1 Drawings 1

RPCA HEP Manual Drawings 2 Drawings 2

RPCA HEP Drawings.PDF HEP PDF

RPCA HEP General Provisions HEP Provisions

RPCA HEP 27 Pin Comline HEP 27 Pin Comline

RPCA HEP PVLoadPhaseBalance Pvloadphasebalance

RPCA Heritage Electrical RPCA Heritage Electrical


More to come.

Robert