[roeter]

Cabview analogue clock has already been implemented, for quite some time.
This is the definition in the .cvf file :

                DialClock (
			Hours (
				Position ( 191 286 1 22 )
				Pivot ( 3 )
				Graphic ( "../../../Cabs/Diesel/CAB_DB_628/628-hour.ace" )
			)
			Minutes (
				Position ( 191 286 1 30 )
				Pivot ( 3 )
				Graphic ( "../../../Cabs/Diesel/CAB_DB_628/628-minute.ace" )
			)
			Seconds (
				Position ( 191 286 1 30 )
				Pivot ( 3 )
				Graphic ( "../../../Cabs/Diesel/CAB_DB_628/628-second.ace" )
			)
		)

In this case, it requires three dials (similar to other dials). The clock itself is part of the main cabview 'front' display.

Regards,
Rob Roeterdink

[Csantucci]

Hi jonas,
I've inserted your patch in my local copy of OR NewYear MG, and I must say that your clocks look out very well! I have the intention to upload such copy within tomorrow, so everyone has an easy way to test the feature.
One remark about the code: in Shapes.cs you have added these two variables

        private string shapeFilePath;
        private WorldPosition worldMatrix;

however VS says that they aren't used, so you should delete such two lines.
Moreover re writing code please read the paragraph "General Requirements" of this document https://github.com/t...CONTRIBUTING.md and the documents linked within such paragraph, and try to adhere to what is written there where reasonable.
Don't consider the rest of the document as of now, because I'm unsure whether it is still up to date.

[jonas]

Csantucci, on 14 January 2020 - 07:37 AM, said:

...however VS says that they aren't used, so you should delete such two lines.
Moreover re writing code please read the paragraph "General Requirements" of this document https://github.com/t...CONTRIBUTING.md and the documents linked within such paragraph, and try to adhere to what is written there where reasonable.
Don't consider the rest of the document as of now, because I'm unsure whether it is still up to date.

Sorry for unconventional nameings in the code - I didn't think it could be adopted that quickly and I'll read the "General Requirements" right away.
The two unused variables are in fact "development backlogs" and I delete them, thanks hinting me.

Csantucci, on 14 January 2020 - 07:37 AM, said:

I've inserted your patch in my local copy of OR NewYear MG, and I must say that your clocks look out very well! I have the intention to upload such copy within tomorrow, so everyone has an easy way to test the feature.

I am very glad about this and it is really good news! Not because it's my code (which, by the way, was only possible with the active advice of a good OR programmer), but above all because it finally brings the subject of OR-clocks forward and everyone can try it easely. So, of course I like that :-)


First and foremost, I wanted to refresh the discussion here on the topic station clocks with the patch and to hear the opinions of the community.
For an OR-programmer-crack (and unfortunately I'm not one!) it seems to me to be a not too big next step to "beam" a digital clock in form of a 3D text to certain shapes like station buildings or clock-shapes, similar to how platform names work or the digital clock in a Cabview is seen. Easy to say when I can't do it myself, but am I wrong?
Anyway, I would be interested in a discussion about whether, for example, such digital clocks should also be listed parametrically in the Clocks.dat and whether the patch shows the right way for OpenRails to implement external clocks at all.

[Csantucci]

Analog station clocks showing game time are now available within OR NewYear MG rev. 49. Take into account, however, that this feature has still to be approved as such by the ORMT (I see that jonas hasn't yet created a blueprint or a Trello box), and, even if approved, could be subject to request for modifications. Anyhow it is useful for testing to have it integrated within OR NewYear MG.

[jonas]

A small guideline to create analog clocks for the tentative feature in the OR Monogame version.

 Guideline Handbuch Analoge ORClocks V1.0 eng und deu.pdf (53.88K)
Number of downloads: 642

The first page in English, the second in German.
Please post further suggestions for the guideline here or send me a message. Thanks!

[vitro]

Analogue clocks are cool. What about digital clocks? I think it will be great if there is a signal script function which returns game time, such as gametime().

[ebnertra000]

Why signal scripts? I've never heard of a signal that needs the time...

I wonder whether something like a speedpost number display, or maybe a cabview-style digital clock could be done for world object digital clocks

[vitro]

Some clocks shows real time and time since last train (interval clock). Here's the example from Moscow underground:
https://cs9.pikabu.r...60126345745.jpg
This additional clock restarts from zero as train occupies first block after the station. It will be cool to have time-obtaining signal script function to make this.

[jonas]

Hi,
I also find digital clocks very desirable and, as mentioned by ebnertra000, this should be realized similar like it worked with milestones I think. One should be able to name a shape and project the digits onto it. In post #38, I explained what I can imagine for possible digital clocks in the file Clocks.dat.

vitro, on 10 April 2020 - 12:56 PM, said:

Some clocks shows real time and time since last train (interval clock). Here's the example from Moscow underground:
https://cs9.pikabu.r...60126345745.jpg
This additional clock restarts from zero as train occupies first block after the station. It will be cool to have time-obtaining signal script function to make this.

The interval clocks that are common with some suburban trains, subways and also trams would certainly increase the realism of Open Rails. But is the effort to define extra OR-signal script extensions in the right proportion to the game's usage?
Does it correspond to the average player's perspective (e.g. Cabview) that you would even notice the reset to 0 of such an interval clock on a signal screen? After all, the reset of the interval clock would always only happen after you have already passed the signal.
And a second, perhaps really more serious problem: In an activity, you often don't have any trains ahead! But if no train in front of the player train what actually sets the interval clock to zero? So the player would always see the total time since the start of the activity on the interval clock I afraid ...in the case of the Moscow Metro then may be permanent seen "9:59"?

Youtube video, jump to minute 2:20: https://www.youtube....h?v=pkyldv6y4_o

[vitro]

The interval clocks itself can be done right now throw Check_Timing_Trigger() function. Problem is in main clock, which show real time. Interval clock turns off after 9:59, and turns on again when train passes exit signal at station. So it is not a problem. But if you have a train ahead in activity or multiplayer session, it becomes really interesting

[jonas]

vitro, on 11 April 2020 - 04:32 AM, said:

The interval clocks itself can be done right now throw Check_Timing_Trigger() function.

Is the Check_Timing_Trigger() function an OR signal script function? I ask because I do not know it from MSTS. (But I am rarely involved with signal scripts at the moment either)

vitro, on 11 April 2020 - 04:32 AM, said:

... Interval clock turns off after 9:59, and turns on again when train passes exit signal at station...

Does the interval Clock really switch off when 9:59 minute is reached? Is this how it works in reality, for example in the Moscow Metro? ...sorry for my not knowing.

[vitro]

jonas, on 11 April 2020 - 05:09 AM, said:

Is the Check_Timing_Trigger() function an OR signal script function? I ask because I do not know it from MSTS. (But I am rarely involved with signal scripts at the moment either)

Yes, it is recently added or-specific function.

jonas, on 11 April 2020 - 05:09 AM, said:

Does the interval Clock really switch off when 9:59 minute is reached? Is this how it works in reality, for example in the Moscow Metro? ...sorry for my not knowing.

It depends on how Clock is set. After 9:59 it can switch off, or begin from 0:00. In Novosibirsk Metro it start counting only minutes on two right digit positions. Here's example of first case: https://www.instagra.../p/BTthroOFGuy/

[jonas]

Actually an interesting video - thank you for providing it!

Thought about the expecting OR game experience some more: In an activity lasting longer than 10 minutes, in OR/MSTS such an interval signal would always be dark when the player train is approaching, because there are no trains ahead whitch had reset the signal to zero and more than 10 minutes have already passed since actitity begin.
When the player train has passed such always dark signal it would reset to 0 and then count up to 9:59. All this "in the back sight" of the player train, the player would rarly see the count up, because he is already on his way to the next station. There he meets again a dark interval signal and so on.
vitro, how do you imagine the experience of such an interval signal for the player in OR? Maybe I am missing something?

[eugenR]

see here in Post #13:
http://www.elvastowe...ng/page__st__10
But I don't know how tu use this Functions
Regards
EugenR

[vitro]

jonas, on 11 April 2020 - 08:44 AM, said:

vitro, how do you imagine the experience of such an interval signal for the player in OR? Maybe I am missing something?

I expect that there is more than one train in activity or multiplayer. It is cool sometimes to follow a train with minimal interval, observing signals switching right in front of you, follow timetable, etc.