[Gman347]

Has anyone else had a problem with Route Riter after doing a Java update?

I am still running WinXP. I got a message that there was a Java update available so I clicked OK to install it. Seemed innocent enough. WRONG! :furiousPC:

The new version of Java installs itself into the folder 'Program Files\Java\jre7'. Apparently Route Riter is looking for it in 'Program Files\Java\jre6'.

Route Riter starts and gives me a message that the Java runtime module must be installed or the program won't run. The program does continue to load but when I tried to create a consist it wouldn't work. :cry1:

Anyone know if there a workaround? In the meantime, if you get a message about updating your WinXP Java, DON'T DO IT!! :yahoo:

Paul :D ( :cray:)

[thegrindre]

I got the same issue.
You have a PM, Paul.

:yahoo:

[Dove93]

Gman347, on 23 August 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

The new version of Java installs itself into the folder 'Program Files\Java\jre7'. Apparently Route Riter is looking for it in 'Program Files\Java\jre6'.

I don't know if this would work or not, but have you tried making a copy of the 'Program Files\Java\jre7' folder and renaming the copied folder to 'Program Files\Java\jre6'?

[thegrindre]

I'm not so sure that Java would work anymore if you did that. :furiousPC:

:yahoo:

[jared2982]

Java would still work if you just made a copy of the files and moved them to the new folder. Just don't delete thx old ones. Isn't route riter looking for just a few dll files in the classes folder? Ah yes here it was at steam4me. And a link to the page. http://msts.steam4me...iter/index.html

I would try removing all versions of Java and start from scratch.

As TsUtils is now used for all compress/uncompress operations within Route_Riter, it is imperative that a working Java setup is running on your PC. The latest version can always be downloaded from Java Manual Downloads for All Operating Sytems. Make sure you download the 'Manual Download' version as Windows XP SP2 and higher have been found to block installation of the automatic version.
From v7.0.23, Route_Riter automatically runs a java script on startup, and will advise you if Java/TsUtils are not working. At which time Route_Riter will close.

TsUtils is normally installed in the Route_Riter\TsUtils folder, but if you have installed Java and it still does not work, you should go to the Java folder, normally at c:\Program Files\Java, under which there may be several sub-folders like jre1.4.0 and jre1.6.0 - The one with the highest number is the latest version. Open this folder and you should see sub-folders bin and lib make a new folder 'classes' which will then appear between these two and copy the contents of the TsUtil folder into this new Classes folder. After which TsUtils should run OK. You may then remove all older versions of Java (they occupy about 114MB per version) using the Start | Settings | Control Panel | Add/Remove Programs option.

[thegrindre]

All I did was install Java 6 again. I had an old copy of it laying around.

:oldstry:

[jared2982]

Chances are RR is reading the java from the registry and because Java does not remove older versions when it updates there is probably a mess in the registry telling it to look in the wrong place. That is why your method works Rick. If you have no need for the newer version of java just reinstall the old one. You use to could download older versions from Java as well. I don't know if you still can. Chances are that you will eventually need the newer version somewhere down the road so the issue will have to be addressed at some point.

[Fred]

You can still download a copy of java 6 from the following website.

http://www.oracle.co...ive-139210.html


http://www.elvastower.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/sweatingbullets.gif

[copperpen]

My installed Java is jre7, but I do also have a folder called jre6 which has the classes folder only and RR is happy with that.

[Gman347]

Thanks to everyone for the advice. :oldstry: I uninstalled the Java 7 and reinstalled Java 6. Route Riter is running again but I am still having few problems with the consist editor. That section of Route Riter was acting a little wierd before this Java thing came up so maybe I'm just not using it correctly. Every now and again I get a 'Runtime 9' Error "Subscript out of range".

Funny thing, yesterday I tried to get to Steam4me but my system told me the site wasn't available. I had some problems getting to some other sites too so maybe it's my ISP.

Thanks again guys. If I have any more problems I know who to ask. :)

Best,

Paul :D

[jared2982]

Maybe a reinstall of route riter might be in order. Afaik rr does not need java itself just the classes folder with the required files in it and it's happy. Glad you got it going. I get the runtime 9 error ever so often when I export a model and forget to actually add the hierarchy to the exporter producing a basically empty .s file. Never investigated what a runtime 9 error actually is.

[thegrindre]

jared2982, on 24 August 2014 - 05:38 AM, said:

Chances are RR is reading the java from the registry and because Java does not remove older versions when it updates there is probably a mess in the registry telling it to look in the wrong place. That is why your method works Rick. If you have no need for the newer version of java just reinstall the old one. You use to could download older versions from Java as well. I don't know if you still can. Chances are that you will eventually need the newer version somewhere down the road so the issue will have to be addressed at some point.

I rarely use Java and don't keep it installed unless some game or something wants it. When I'm done, I uninstall it. I understand it's a doorway to bad things on the net.
RouteRiter is another app I rarely use. Once or twice a year at most, if that.

:sign_sorry:

[captain_bazza]

This is helpful information and it appears the problem might live on, so I'm going to spike/pin this topic for easy future reference.

Cheers Bazza.

[Mike B]

At one time there was need to tweak registry settings for RR to use current Java. In my current system, though, with fully updated Java, it hasn't been a problem (though RR does crash randomly). When I do Java updates (which ARE worth doing, BTW, because of security issues) I always make sure older versions are gone - either by uninstalling first or by using the java.com old-version-finder tool. Perhaps aggressively managing Java to make sure there's only one version on the computer helps.

The real security issues have to do more with Java (not Javascript - a very different thing) in your browser than with Java itself (runtime for stand-alone software support), so I usually disable Java in the browser or make it an ask-every-time option (along with using NoScript) in Firefox/Pale Moon. I generally don't use web sites that require Java, but some of my stand-alone software (RR, parts of Libreoffice, for example) does need it.

[Alexey_Soljenitchev]

Hi Mike,

can you confirm that RR is working with the latest Java 8.x?

I went to the pain and registered at Oracle, in order to download version 6 for RR, but still I'm torn, as this might be a security risk.

By the way, does RR need anything else besides Java? Mabye Visual C++, Basic, C#, SQL-Sever et cetera? Or none of all that?